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You mention a company, but above you found out the trustee of the trust is your grandmother.
The company is probably no a trustee but may be doing some other role such as running a business, or may be a 'bucket company'
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You can divert the money to a company to cap the tax at 30%, but then you have problems with accessing the money.
The company can loan it back to the trust or to a beneficiary etc, but there are strict rules regarding this, known as Division 7A. Written commercial agreements are required.
In the good old days you could just borrow and never pay back!
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Doesn' work like that.
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In law school you only spend about 4 weeks on trusts and then you are not taught the commercial aspects or tax aspects so you can't really expect lawyers to know much about trusts unless they have an interest in the area. Same with accountants too.
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intro = introduction
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i am a solicitor specialising in trusts and estate planning, but learned everything i know by my own research.
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Try http://www.trustmagic.com or http://www.trustmagic.com.au for the best intro on trusts.
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You would have to show me the deed to make an assessment. eg. you may not be named specifically, or by title such as grandchild, but could be indirectly such as any shareholder of a company which……..
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I think it will be CGT exempt.
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Ishtvan051 wrote:Yes, well if it come to that and my father ended up the appointer then we would include me and obviously my father as a beneficiary.But the existing deed would need to be ammended.You can't generally add beneficiaries as this would mean a new trust is formed which means a resettlement = CGT and stamp duty on the whole trust estate. But there may be ways to include you via other methods.
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Another point.
If the trust was established 35 years ago you should have your grandfather check the vesting or winding up date. Trusts can last 80 years max, but many of the older trusts were set up with much shorter lives for some reason.
When the trust ends all the property must be transferred and CGT may be payable – hopefully he has some pre 1985 assets in there with no CGT.
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Ishtvan051 wrote:Also I dont know if they have had the deed updated. I would have thought the accountant should keep on top with managing such important changes such as GST!Depends how involved the accountant is.
Deeds will need to be updated this year to meet the changing definition of 'income' and other complicated issues following the famous Bamford case. Otherwise extra tax could be payable.
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The appointorship could be passed to anyone, it depends on your deed. But it is probably to the surviving spouse.
It is probably unlikely, but it could be that your Grandfather is a director of one trustee which is a company and your grandmother is trustee in her own right. unlikely.
BTW, if you are not a beneficiary then you cannot receive any benefit from the trust. So evenutally control may pass to your father and then to who???? Actually you could end up controlling it maybe, but not being able to benefit from it (unless via taking fees maybe).
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A company could be a trustee in addition to them both, though unlikely.
I wonder if they have had the deed updated? There have been huge changes over the last few years – eg the introduction of GST!
The appointor is likely to be one or both of them I think. Unlikely to be the accountant, you hope anyway.
Also, if you are a beneficiary of the trust you probably have a legal right to view the trust deed and to view the financial records of the trust – even if you have never received a distribution.
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Its very common to have 2 trustees
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Rams would probably have huge exit fees too.
Don't know there is much for her to do. She will be making a loss and have no other income so probably a negative taxable income. This is a bit of a waste as she could be earning up to $16,000 pa and pay no tax. If only you could pay her $16,000 pa for something and claim a deduction for it.
Best to talk to your tax advisor who may know your full situation and have a few tricks they can run.
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Generally the tenant pays for all fitouts and is not compensated on exit for this either.
It is up to your negotiating skills on how you can factor this in to the rent, if at all.
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ok, fair enough. Sorry to have made it seem so bad!
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Ferdinand.
So you are going to ditch your broker, who has already started working on your case, just to save $249 on the conveyancing from a lawyer (who will be receiving a kickback). Is the broker any good? Is the lawyer any good?
Isn't this being a bit short sighted?
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Yeah, it would be great to use our super to pay for our homes now.
The trouble is some, or many, people would blow it, mortgage their houses and gamble the money away etc,
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