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The case I referred to above is Kousal v Suncorp-Metway Limited [2011] VSC 312
see http://www.commercialcourt.com.au/Lists/News/DispForm.aspx?ID=1671 with the link to the judgment.
This is a different sort of matter though. It relates to a judgment debt, not a mortgage, but you may gain some insight into the process.
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I don't have any links. You would have to look into some legal books. Maybe do some google searches on "mortgagee in possession". Find some legal cases.
I read a new case today, from VIC or SA where a mortgagee sold a house for $1000 because there was no reserve set at the auction. There is a court order in place preventing settlement at present.
If you are the person from the other thread then the problem arose because you knew there was a caveat on the property but you went ahead with the purchase. That would have been why it was on the market so long.
No use in crying over split milk now. You may have to wait a bit longer and then try to negotiate with the bank.
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The bank may be able to lift the guarantee provided by the parents if the LVR falls within their acceptable guidelines. Being 32sqm you may have problems still.
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There is another recent thread on here regarding a caveat and settlement problems.
The bank will be holding first security so their interest will take priority. What they will do will depend on how much the shortfall is etc. If it is a little bit then they may just allow the sale to proceed and they may try to recover the rest from the owner. If it is a fair bit and they think the house has been undersold they may try to resell the house again or try to get you to pay more.
Once the mortgagor takes possession then I think your contract will no longer be binding I beleive
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You would have to apply for a private ruling. This would take a while though.
Another option would be to get some written advice from an accountant.
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hi James
Sounds like an idea, but why offer him so much?
I think you should have written loan agreements drawn up. You need to worry about divorce, death and insolvency. eg. Dying – imagine if you died with his money in your account. Bank accounts would be frozen until probate is granted which could be 6 months or so. Now imagine if he died with the money in your account!
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Sure will cause problems.
If people cannot get finance then it will certainly limit the market and this in turn will limit capital growth. This is why many of the small apartments have high yields
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No, doesn't make sense.
Guarantees do appear on your personal credit report and subsequent lenders will see them and ask about them.
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Troy,
I've heard that in America the loans are non-recourse loans and the lender can only take possession of the property if the borrower defaults. They cannot come after the borrower for any short fall.
Is that the case with these loans too?
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What about the other partners? did they contribute their own funds separately?
She needs to see a lawyer, the accountant can only help on the tax side of things.
My view is that she will be responsbile for 6 years rent (or the remaining term) for the whole amount, unless the other partners pay it. The partnership could be disolved but the contract will remain unless it is renegotiated.
Once she ceases the business then the interest on the $70k may no longer be deductible (this the accountant could help with), depending on her circumstances.
see TR 2004/4
Income tax: deductions for interest incurred prior to the commencement of, or following the cessation of, relevant income earning activities
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Actually, I should clarrify.
A trust could help you borrow more if you can get other people to be trustee or director of the trustee company and share holder with you being only a beneficiary.
If you are the person behind the trust as trustee or director of the trustee then each lender will want a personal guarantee. Giving a personal guarantee means you are responsible for the loan if the trustee cannot pay. This naturally affects your borrowing capacity the same as if you got the loan in your own name.
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That book is incorrect.
Having a trust, while a great idea, will not help you borrow more.
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Yes you could get an offset account on a trust loan.
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You should be able to take early possession if the vendor is still offering it. But there is a chance that the vendor will not settle and then you may not be able to complete the sale. Do you know what the problem is?
Have a good read of your contract and see what it says about the charging of penalty interest.
Good idea to use a lawyer rather than a conveyancer too as it comes in handy when problems arise.
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csydney wrote:Hmm, thanks for the info.I have joined the renovating for profit programme and there was never any mention of being licenced to receive a fee for spotter fees???!. I will send them an e-mail and check on this point. I will post the answer on the forum. Although I will not get an answer until the end of monday at the earliet. Cameron.
Why would you ask them and not the Department of Fair Trading who administer the licencing of real estate agents?
Firstly, what state are you in? or what state is the property in?
If in NSW then have a look at Fair Trading here, http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Property_agents_and_managers/Other_property_businesses.html
You will notice they say you need a licence if:
Carrying on a business, for reward and:
"(a) taking calls or interest from prospective purchasers and passing them on to the vendor
(b) including your business's telephone or other contact details on advertising signage used by vendors
(c) taking prospective purchasers through the property that is for sale, or accompanying the vendor when this is done
(d) providing the contract for the sale of the property to prospective purchasers or discussing the merits of the property with them
(e) introducing prospective purchasers to the vendor of the property………"
Then you can go and look at the
PROPERTY, STOCK AND BUSINESS AGENTS ACT 2002
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/psabaa2002385/
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What property?
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Excellent "business property". Thanks for that. That is good to know.
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St George
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nevermind. It is always good to run things by others for different ideas.
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Wouldn't it be the same?
banks only charge you interest once per month. Whether you pay this weekly or monthly it will still be the same amount.
If you pay anymore it will be coming off the principle of the loan.
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