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I think you have gotten yourself into a big mess unfortunately.
Refinancing won't help you claim any of the interest because the interest will retain the character of the original borrowings.
Everytime you make a deposit to the loan this is a repayment.
Everytime you make a withdrawal from the loan this is new borrowings.So if you withdraw $100 for groceries the interest on this new $100 loan will not be deductible.
If you are having pays put directly into the loan then this would mean you would be repaying the original loan by this amount with each repayment.
You then take money out, so this will be reborrowings. The end result would be a large loan with none of it attributable to the purchase of the original property and therefore none of it deductible.
Refinancing will fix the problem from now on, but not the previous borrowings.
What you should do is to get the original loan figure and then deduct from this each deposit you made (disregarding the withdraws). This will be the loan amount attributable to the original purchase. And therefore the part of the loan that is deductible.
You should refinance this amount as one split, with an IO loan, and the other portion with a separate split. You can then distinguish the deductible from the non deductible and pay down the non deductible loan first.
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Only interest on borrowings used to invest will be deductible.
So if you use the LOC for private expenses and then later for investment the use will be mixed. You would have to work out the proportions used for private/investments and portion the interest.
Where you will get into trouble is if you want to pay down the private part. Any payment to the loan will need to come off both private and investment portions in equal shares to the protortion of the loan. ie you cannot paid back the private part first (which would be more tax effective).
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its not that hard either!
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Its actually amazing how many people sign agreements without reading them at all.
So from an agent's perspective it is worth a punt by putting in all sorts of extra charges which they would just remove if asked.
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Yep, thats right.
You might have to amend your tax return if already lodged and you made a mistake.
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Cheese,
Sorry Loan 2 is secured against property 1. The idea to to get as much borrowings as possible in relation to property 1 so as to free up cash for property 2.
You will have to work out any costs and see if it saves you. There should really be any additional costs, but maybe an extra 0.1% on the interest rate for a LOC.
It may be a bit of an administrative task at first.
Even if you just paid the normal costs associated with the IP, rates, water, insurnaces, this will probably amount to $3,000 pa. Interest on $3k = $210. Tax savings maybe just $100 pa. But it all helps and think of the compounding effects.
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there are different depreciation rates for different items. The Building depreciation rate is 2.5% per year for 40 years, but this only applies for the building itself and some other items, maybe kitchen etc. The other items, such as fittings and fixtures, carperts, stove, dishwasher etc are depreciated at a higher and faster rate.
In your situation the building cost probably includes a lot of these fixtures. So you should really get a depreciation report done as each item will be listed separately and this will result in higher deductions for you.
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I'd probably structure it slightly different, depending on how much equity you have.
Loan 1, existing $200,000. Secured on Property 1 current PPOR. Make this IO asap so you stop paying it down.
Offset 1. Set this up on loan 1 and pay all spare cash into it.Loan 2. Set up a LOC. Use this LOC to pay for all expenses relating to Property 1. Such as rates and insurances etc. This will build up the loan and free up cash for the offset account (cash which you would have used to pay the bills). Only pay the interest each month.
Loan 3. LOC or term loan. Secured on Property 1. Use this for the 20% deposit plus costs. IO.
Loan 4 IO loan. Secured on Property 2. Only pay the interest on this loan until you move in. Once you move in you can pay extra off the loan or set up a new offset, or transfer the existing one, to this.
Once you make Property 1 an investment all of the interest on loans 1 and 2 should be deductibe.
Whle Property 2 is an investment all the interest on loans 2 and 4 should be deductible.
Each loan will also be stand alone without cross collateralsing them. Loan 4 could be with a different bank, but I probably wouldn't worry too much about this.
By borrowing the expenses for property 1 from loan 2 you will be freeing up a few thousand dollars per year which can help pay down the new property faster and will end up saving you tax.
This can be sped up by not paying the interest on loan 2 and letting it capitalise. But you will need tax advice on this as any deductions for this could be disallowed by the ATO if the dominant purpose is to increase tax deductions.
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Paul,
I've never thought about this before, but what would happen if you had an option exerciseable in 1 year. You included a contract of sale with the terms of the purchase. Assume it is NSW. For a contract to be valid (or enforceable) it has to include searches such as a s149 certificate.These certificates expire, I think it is about months for a s149.
So what happens? I guess the contract will be valid and binding on the exchange – but the contract would not be entered into until the option is exchanged. But when this happens the certificates would have expired. I suppose the vendor could just order new ones but I am not sure if any problems would arise.
What do you think?
Ps. I was walking through Darling Harbour in Sydney and noticed that one of the large water front restaurants had closed down, suddenly and unexpectedly. I did a search and found a case concerning this in the Supreme Court of NSW.
It appears the person leasing the property had an option to extend the lease another 20 years, but they forgot to give proper notice. The court case was about an email they sent to the landlord where they talked about extending and they argued that this was notice. But the ruling was that it wasn't proper notice because of various reasons – including that they did not word it directly but just mentioned it in passing while writing about other matters.
The tenant had just completed a $1mil renovation about 4 years earlier. Now they dont have a restuarant!
It jsut shows that you must be very careful when dealing in options.
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Wiwin wrote:So we were using equity from the 1st IP for 2nd IP deposit. Bank will increase the bank loan right? isn't it means that we have to pay more loan ? just for example 1st IP bank loan 300K, after 2 years the value increased by 100K, and i used it for deposit
2nd IP, duty stamp etc.I will have 400 K on loan for the 1st IP and another loan for 2nd IP ( Total purchase 2nd IP minus Deposit )
If I rent out 2nd IP with negative gearing – then the total loan that i have to pay will be increase with the difference..Am I right or am i wrong ?
Don't really understand how they ( the ones who have many IP ) managed so many IP without any default…Thanks,
Wiwin
Yes, if you are using equity you will have a bigger loan and will be paying more interest.
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Ossi89 wrote:Hey, I am confident have equity in my ip as I bought it well below market value. I have a very simple question, do I now contact my lender to have the property revalued in order to.determine the available equity or is there some other method? Also, what does a valuation usually cost? Can the result be disputed? Cheers, Oz.Pick up the phone and call. Its as simple as that.
Valuations cost from $200 to $400 for a residential property, but it may be free if you are on a professional package. Results can be disputed – but this doesn't mean they will change it. What you need to do is to gather evidence on similar properties that have SOLD recently.
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biltongboer wrote:OK, so what exactly does this mean:"The worst thing you can do is cross collaterise your home with your investment property"
I have no idea what this guy just said?


Use two properties as security for one loan.
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Since you have exchanged contracts, then I beleive the control is probably binding on them, the purchaser. You could terminate the contract at any time until the deposit is paid, but they are locked in (NSW contracts anyway). But, they may still be able to exercise their cooling off period rights (unless they have waived this).
Really you cannot assume the sale is 100% until the cooling off perio expires. And actually you should not count on the sale until settlement as this frequently doesn't occur for many a reason (even though it may contractually supposed to).
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Bacchu,
You should dig out a copy of the contract you entered with the agent and see if this fee is listed and if authorised. If not then you can object to it. Maybe tell them of your intention to move elsewhere and they may change their minds.
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When you say "our tax returns" who do you mean owes the tax? If it is a company, then who are the directors?
You would need a binding financial agreement (BFA) signed under the Family Law Act (ie a prenup or postnup in this case). This will allow you to decide on the split of the assets without going to court and it should be binding if done properly. You should tax into account any tax due and who will pay for it.
The BFA will allow you to transfer property without stamp duty in most states and also without paying CGT. But the transferee will inherit the tax base of a property they receive so they will take any CGT that the other spouse may have had to pay up to that point.
Thats the legal side, and then there is the practical side. You must change titles and redo loans.
What sorts of current values for property and loans are we looking at? It would be good for you, perhaps, if you could get the property with the DA on it and give the ex the other. Does she have a job, ie could she get a loan on her own?
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Paul
You should also have a contract of sale attached to the option too I think. Otherwise the terms of the sale will be unclear.
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Oz,
Where are you based? There are a few brokers on this forum.
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I don't think your trust would need one if just investing in residential property but your trust probably should have one. It takes 5 min to get and doesn't cost anything. If dealing with other businesses the ABN needs to be quoted.
You could probably draw up your own loan agreement.
Div 7A would only apply, I think, if the company is lending you money.
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It doesn't appear that the settlement date has changed. The settlement date was dependent on the date of the plan of sub-division.
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Anita,
You are in a binding contract and you agreed to the terms of the contract. There was always a possibility that they would settle early.
So I don't see a way out, unless the vendor has slipped up in the preparation of the contract and it was incomplete. Or the plan has been changed greater than the accepted amount, or the contract wasn't signed properly etc.
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