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- new2invest wrote:I heard from people at work According to the ATO, if you can provide proof of any cost you incur towards your investment property, should be fine to claim. In otherwords i should be able to claim 100% even if I have deposited 10% (redraw from PPOR) and bank lend me 90% Investment loan + deposit = 100% clamaible for as long as you can provide proof. Is this true? can you do that?
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This is not really so. The full interest on 100% of purchase price won't be claimable because the 10% came from the offset account which is savings. If the 10% was taken from the offset and put into the loan and then reborrowed then the 100% of the interest would be claimable – but this would also contaminate the loan so a better way would be to make a new split on the existing loan and borrow the 10% from that.
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I think it would be claimed off CGT in the future – unless you are in the business of buying/selling property
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John,
Transferring properties now will result in CGT and stamp duty. The parents will need to do a cost v benefits analysis and see if any savings make the costs worthwhile.
Although not possible to transfer residential property already owned into a SMSF they could sell and then buy another in the superfund. The costs to do this may be worthwhile considering the potential tax free income in the future as well as the strong asset protection benefits.
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swampy30 wrote:Hi Aussieguy2000,Each state looks only at the land owned by you with it’s own borders e.g. Qld does not care that I pay land tax in
NSW, only that I own land less than the threshold for QldRe q3, do not confuse capital gains tax exemption with land tax exemption, they are 2 different taxes with their own separate rules
If you are not living in a property, it is not your PPoR for land tax purposes (in NSW anyway). I had to pay land tax on my PPOR whilst overseas, but still am claiming CGT exemption under the 6 year rule.Cheers
Swampy
Swampy,
In NSW there are some exemptions for temporary absence from main residence. It is much more complex than the CGT exemptions though. I can post details if you can’t find it (am overseas now)
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Yes, it will be impossible to borrow (you) against this property unless you have the title transferred over.
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Since both people are legal owners both must be on the loan or loan in one name and the other giving a guarantee – but this is likely to require a credit assessment too.
Probably best to speak with a broker as small defaults can usually be overcome.
(ncidently, this is another good advantage to use a trust with company trustee – you can just change people around without having to change ownership. but may not be suitable if owner occ)
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Thats my understanding too. My trusts have sold many properties but I must say I am not sure exactly how it works.
Alexia
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A lease is a legal document, an agent wouldnt be allowed to add clauses unless probably allowed by the residential tenancies act.
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If the seller is the same you would, or if associated persons.
See rev rulng DUT 36
http://www.osr.nsw.gov.au/lib/doc/rulings/rrdut36.pdfand s25 Duties Act
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Alexia
Why is it different under a company or a trust? Your company or trust would also want to reduce taxable income wouldn't it? Otherwise you would end up paying more tax.
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mike h wrote:Are you looking to purchase the new property to live in? Generally, its not recommended to purchase your house in a trust because: 1. You do not get the main residence CGT exemption and will have to pay CGT when you sell. 2. You will have to pay land tax (although some trusts do not). I know very little about family law, but I doubt having the property in a trust would help you avoid child support. If you are buying as an investment, negative gearing will obviously reduce your income tax. Not sure about child support, but investment losses are added back for a lot of government income tests. If you want to purchase alongside a family member or partner you should consider the implications in the event of a dispute or falling out. In terms of salary sacrificing your mortgage payments, it doesn't really work unless you're in the 46.5% tax bracket. The reason being is that the employer will have to pay 46.5% Fringe Benefits Tax, whereas in your current situation they can pay you a cash wage and only pay 31.5-38.5% tax (being your marginal tax rate). You could also consider moving in and renting out the spare rooms as: 1. You keep the main residence exemption for CGT. 2. You can deduct the property expenses and interest costs 3. You can later move out for up to 6 years and keep renting it out while keeping it exempt from CGT. 4. You save tax which you can put on your mortgage, and the renters help pay it off. The rules regarding the above are quite specific though so you would definitely need to seek advice before doing it.Mike,But you would lose the CGT free status of your main residence if you rented out rooms. The part rented out would be subject to CGT and the 6 year absence rule wouldn't apply while living in the property.
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pale ale wrote:Hi everyone, I have been studying these boards for a while now but cannot find an answer to my specific situation.I have an investment property worth 380k, slightly negative geared. I currently only owe $13k as I have been paying extra into the offset. I can redraw $64k.
I would like to buy another IP, worth about 500k.
Is it better to just refinance my existing loan, or redraw the 64k and start a seperate new loan with a different lender?
I am not asking about competing interest rates etc. Just the issue of having two loans compared to one. It would be much less paperwork etc if it was all bundled into one loan.
Please give me some pros / cons in regards to having 2 investment loans.
Many thanksThere are a few other issues to consider such as tax. Since the existing property is an IP tax issues will probably no arise. You would just use redraw and have one big loan. You would the just have to apportion the interest between the two properties. If the first property was a owner occ you wouldn't want to do this though.
If you use redraw I would just take the deposit from this loan and then borrow the rest from another lender – or even the same lender. It is possible to use the same lender and not cross coll too.
Also, when you said you have been paying the loan off, I think it may be best to use a IO loan with a 100% offset account rather than paying a loan off. Paying loans off ties up you money and using an offset account can acheive the same result but in a more tax effective manner.
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The only way to minimise tax is to reduce your taxable income. You could do this in 2 broad ways.
1. earn less
2. Find more tax deductions
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The mum would likely have to give a guarantee, but being vendor finance maybe this could be avoided.
Realistically, if something does go wrong the trustee in bankruptcy are not really going to be chasing anyone for $10k as it would be considered too small and not worth the bother and expense
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If you borrow from the company and then use the funds for deposit etc on an investment property then the loan would be investment related and the interest would be claimable by the owner of the property. But the company would also be receiving interest as income so this would be taxable too.
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If this was set up with the intention to put property out of reach of creditors it may be able to be voided under the Bankruptcy Act if your friend later goes bankrupt.
You also have to look at uncommercial transactions. Is he paying market rent etc to the trust. Also have to look at gifts to the trust – where is the $10k now for example.
But if it was just a discretionary trust in which his role was that of a potential beneficiary then it may work. If he would go bankrupt the trustee would simply consider him, but make no distribution to him until he comes out of it.
I think Alan Bond went bankrupt 10 years ago now and his friends were providing him with gifts etc of meals at lavish restuarants etc. The trustee in bankruptcy tried to get this classed as income, but failed. His family also controlled many trusts and he was allowed to use trust assets etc too.
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For asset protection reasons you wouldn't want the company to own the property (tax reasons too!). Also make sure you cover getting the $60k from the company bank account. You can't just use it, you will need to get the company to make a dividend or some other payment or you will need to draw up a special loan agreement.
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negative gearing is a good way to save tax, but this may not help you save in child support. I am not sure, but they will probably have a formula to add back any negative gearing benefits so that you would have to pay on gross income before deductions.
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I think you will find that there is a assets test. 2 tests actually. You can have a PPOR up to $xx without it affecting payments, or if no PPOR then assets up to $YY.
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Yes, I agree with Jamie. Fix it now before getting more tangled. Or fix it at the time you go for the new loan.
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