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    A discretionary trust is probably the way to go. Accountants and lawyers can set them up and you should use an expert because there are so many issues to consider.

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    You have some misconceptions regarding trusts.

    Trusts can claim depreciation and there are no tax issues – but this shouldn't be your major concern. They can be set up very quickly. There are no stamping issues with trusts in QLD (costs $500 stamp duty in NSW).

    With Tenants in Common you also need to remember what happens at death. (I am not talking about heaven either!). Make sure you have  a proper will in place and one that takes into account any loans secured by the properties.

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    If starting a business asset protection should also be a major concern.

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    grantos_champos wrote:
    Terry,

    What about if I renovate while it is PPOR then convert to IP down the track?

    If the property is rented then you should be able to claim any interest on loans used to acquire or improve this property and any depreciation on the fixtures and fittigs of it – subject to effective life of the item.

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    Yes – can claim interest on the loan and Yes can claim depreciation

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    I can't process that info atm!!

    But if you or mum are wanting to buy something in your brother's name and then later change it to your mum's name it could be done with a bare trust. Stamp duty would vary from state to state but would be about $20 to change it over. No CGT issues either if done property as it would be considered your mum's house just with the brother as bare trustee.

    Don't know how you would go with loans though but should be possible if explained to lender.

    Make sure you get a lawyer to do it all or you will be up for stamp duty if you get it wrong.

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    what are you trying to achieve?

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    Catalyst wrote:
    How can they apply for the loan in the son's name? Unless they are also on the loan? If the son is on the loan he is liable (not the parents).

    Possibly both would have to be on the loan. legal owner would def.

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    Depending on what you want to do and why you could do it 2 ways. One is as a bare trustee. Other is just gift the money to them and have them by it themselves.

    There are heaps of issues involved such as tax, stamp duty, loans etc

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    Yes.

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    Teds, I may have misunderstood your post. So you are not unconditional, but another buyer is? So you would have less risk than i imagned, but you have an offer in there without seeking legal advice on it. If your offer is accepted you will be locked in. You should really show what you have signed to a lawyer now to see if there are any issues. If there are you can withdraw your offer and resubmit with changes.

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    compare the food of a chef to that of a franchise.

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    Thats a large risk. No lawyer and unconditional now!

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    Real estate agents are prohibited from adding clauses to contracts – in NSW they can only fill in the bits in the box on the front page. You should seek legal advice

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    Why not pay off the home loan sooner and buy an investment property? Not mutually exclusive.

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    Financial_Help wrote:
    You really need to pay all the mortgage before you want the lender and Mortgage benifits. It will also effect you when you will go to ask loan…

    This poster doesn't kno what they are talking about. Just writes anything to get his links loaded.

    Lately PI.com is full of spam. The somersolf forums are much better

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    You're right in that you cannot borrow from yourself. You can borrow from third parties and the loan would generally be deductible and you could refinance it with another lender. Just need to make sure you have a written loan agreement and set it up properly.

    Perhaps a discretionary trust would be the way to go rather than family.

    In the past I have had problems with CBA when trying to sign loan agreements with a power of attorney – they refused to accept them because of privacy concerns – the attorney would see what the donor's financial situation was and also potential problems later proving that the borrower did not understand their obligations. Under the Power of Attorney Act an attorney can bind the donor and basically enter into any agreement that they can legall enter (subject to any restrictions in the deed) but there are no requirements for others to accept them.

    In the past I have had luck with ANZ and Westpac.

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    Theoretically you could by letting the new lender take a second mortgage.
    But  it will be virtually impossibe to find lenders that would allow a second mortgage on your house behind another lender.

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    It may be able to be done, but as trustee of your smsf you would be not acting in the best interest of your fund by putting all of its cash into the one investment. Consider carefully if this is the case.

    It may also be possible to join with a spouse or others to pool your super money together. Many issues here to though.

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    Jpcashflow wrote:
    Whats the point of having a trust vs normal name?

    Cheers

    much greater asset protection and tax flexibility which can result in substantial tax savings.

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