Are you worried about a possible future separation? if so then the courts can make property orders no matter whose name the property is it. Just maintain evidence on how you have contributed to it and not just financial- eg painting the front fence, dealing with an agent.
As the I.P will be in fiancees name, does anyone have any ideas of how him & I can draw up a document saying that the property is mine too? I know a lawyer can do that, but I thought to save money we could write a letter and sign between ourselves.
It won't be your's too. It will be his as he is buying it and borrowing for it. If you contribute to it then you may have an equitable interest.
If you draw up a docuent now to say that it is yours too then that will be a declaration of trust – watch out for paying stamp duty again. You would then have to declare the portions according to your beneficial ownership so he would lose the negative gearing benefits.
Say Tracey purchased $100,000 in shares and these dropped and she sold them for $40,000. She would have a Capital Loss of $60,000. This loss cannot be used to offset her income because it is capital in nature.
Tracey also owns 3 properties. A. In her own name B. In her company C. in her trust.
If she sold A and made a $60,000 CG how much CGT would there be? Nil because the gain can be offset by the prior loss.
If she sold B and the company made $60,000 how much CGT? The company would pay a CGT of 30% of $60,000 = $18,000. The profit would be $42,000. This could be distributed to Tracey. But it will not be a CG will be dividends. Because tax has been paid the dividends would be franked and Tracey may be able to claim some franking credits, but this is not a CG and so cannot be used to offset the loss.
If the trustee of a discretionary trust sold the property and made a $60,000 CG then the trustee would consider all the beneficiaries and may decide to chose to distribute this to Tracey as the income would still be CG in her hands (ie retainng is character) and so she could use the loss to offset the gain so no CGT is payable.
(assuming sold within 12 months so no 50% discount and may other variables left out).
No one should own real property in a company because of 2.5 reasons: 1. No CGT discount 2. Income does not retain its character 3. Profit can only go to shareholders, or employees as a wage (or contractor).
Therefore no one in the know would ever recomend a company to own property – real property, shares etc.
I cannot understand what you are talking about sorry. Sounds like you are jumping to conclusions.
Don't talk equity, talk figures and it may make it clearer. Money in an offset account is not equity – it is cash. Equtiy is the difference between the value of a property and the loan outstanding on it.
Of course you can work together. I am a lawyer and a Finance broker and soon to be tax agent too.
You probably could not run both together through the same company, and wouldn't want to either. I think there are licencing restrictions that at least 1 person with a real estate licence must be director of a real estate company. All directors of a legal company are required to be solicitors however.
So you would just operate separate companies and refer clients to each other – but running totally separate.
With trusts the income retains its character so any CGs could flow through to indivudual beneficiaries of a discretionary trust. This is different to a company for example a capital gain would still be a capital gain but when it gets distributed it will change form to that of a divdend. So if you had a shareholder with a capital loss (from a previous venture) then the dividend couldn't offset the loss. With a trust it could.
But, if your intention is to construct and sell then CGT wouldn't apply it would be pure income tax.
Incidently, there is no right answer on how to set up. It is more an art than a science and will depend on many many different factors.
Have you had some tax advice? Legal advice? especially if the assets are from a will or deceased estate. You may also need to consider centrelink aspects and superannuation.
There was a property related one recently too, which covered general deductions for investment property etc. I posted a link on the somersoft site, but not here sorry!
I did go to the SMSF seminar and it was about 2 hours full of relevant information on all aspects as such contribtions – mandated and non mandated, what happens if you exceed the fund capped contributions. Loans to members or other financial help, acquisition from related parties etc busness real property. installment warrants etc etc.
There is also the argument that as the trust is a discretionary trust (in most cases) the trustee of the trust has discretion as to who to distribute the income of the trust to. Therefore there is no guarantee that the trustee is going to distribute anything to you, the loan applicant or trustee or guarantor. So having a trust could actually hinder your borrowing capacity.
I have never seen this line of argument used by a bank though. They will generally consider the past performance of the trust and assume this will continue.
When I was younger I went to as many free seminars as I could afford to . I think it is a good way to learn. I still do go to free seminars whenever I can – went to a recent one by the ATO on SMSFs (they didn't try to sell me anything which was strange).