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Taxation – trust income retains its character. So if a unit trust made a capital gain it could flow through to the individual as a capital gain if the units are owned by a DT. If the units are owned by a Company then the character would change to that of divdend.
companies also do not get the 50% CGT discount
Asset Protection
assets owned by a discretionary trust generally don't form part of someone's estate if they are bankrupted. If a person owned the shares then these shares would – and could fall into the hands of creditor so any profit by the unit trust could go to the creditors.Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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i suggest you run some figures.
Also consider CGT as if you initially live in the property and later move out you may be able to retain the CGT exempt status of hte property
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Its when you go senile – or die that counts!
You need to plan for an attorney to operate in your place if you go into a coma or disappear or go crazy. The trust must go on. But it is a bit tricky with a trust as a trustee cannot delegate their powers.
When you die you go to heaven but the trust continues. So control of the trust must be passed on. If you control the appointor role in the trust then you need to make sure this role is passed on. Ideally the deed will say who the next appointors will be. If it doesn't then maybe it could be the legal personal representative of your estate – if you die intestate or someone you don't like gets control (exspouse?) then they could control the trust. There are many reasons why the executor you named in your will may not be the executor of the will (the role could be challenged, refused, death, coma, crazy, disappear etc).
This is another reason why a company is a good idea as trustee – when you die the title doesnt need to be changed. If you were trustee then the title for all property owned would need to be changed to the new trustee – which could mean stamp duty in NSW depending on the wording in the deed. A major hassle anyway.
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Unit trusts are generally good for two or more separate parties. Having the units owned by separate discretionary trusts should give each family separate control over their shares of the property.
So this is a good structure. You will have to watch out for land tax though. Using a trust may mean paying 1.6% land tax per year where you otherwise wouldn't.
Who is going to be trustee?
What happens if one of you die? Divorce? go bankrupt? Get pregnant? Go bald?
So many possibilities that could impact on what you will be doing – what if he wants to sell and you don't? What if he wants to sell his units (or unit) to someone you don't know? Does he need your permission? Is there stamp duty on the sale of units?
Might be better to have a larger number of units too. If you had 50 units each instead of 1 then it may be easier to bring in another partner by selling 25 units.
Who will be the appointor of your discretionary trusts?
Who is going to guarantee the loans?The initial funds – will it be lent to the trust or gifted? Who will gift or lend? You or your discretioanry trust?
etc
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What state is the trust going to be set up in and what state is the property?
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The $1800 per month rent would be income which is taxable – less the deductions. There will be no loan associated with the purchase of this property so there would be little to deduct. maybe $1500 in income after deductions.
You will then have a $520,000 loan of which you will not be able to claim any interest because it is a personal expense.
Doesn't work out very well because you will be taxed on the $1800 per month (or $1500 after deductions) and then have nothing to claim on the new purchase.
You may want to consider selling the original house and then buying another as it would allow you to pay down a non deductible loan and then regear resulting in big tax savings.
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It could be exempt depending on:
size,
if was ever income producing
if you wil be purchasing another main residenceup to 6 years absence.
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depends on the circumstances – could possibly be exempt under s118.145 ITAA 1996
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Yes. see http://www.somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?p=871036#post871036
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Legendtofski wrote:Qlds007 wrote:Legend like Terry i am slightly confused.If you then intend to move into this new investment property then the rent you receive on the current property with minimal mortgage will be added to your income and Tax paid on this. The only interest you will then be able to claim is the interest on the $20K loan.
Loan needs to be structured correctly to cater for your requirements now as well as into the future.
You are unable to redraw the available funds on your current property, move out and claim the interest as a deduction.
If i am totally off the mark please let me know and we can revisit the question.
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Yeah well he said I basically live in my current property and pay it off, but buy an investment property while living there…Then use the money from renting out the fully owned property to pay off a combined new mortgage that was used to leverage the investment property, so technically you have a double mortgage, but already own one property. Apparently that how heap of people that only earn $60K are able to build portfolios and wealth, buy jetskis and SUVs and 55inch plasma TVs.
Doesn't make sense. Can you please give some numbers as an example??
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Legendtofski wrote:Hi there,I have a property I nearly own outright (<$20000_ mortgage and am looking to buy an investment property I will eventually move into, my brother reckons I can do this, basically..
1. Move back into my property and buy an investment property and rent it out and pay mortgage on it offset with rent on investment property.
2. Once my property is paid off completely move into my investment property, move the mortgage from the investment property back to my owned property as 'collateral', then use the rent earned on the owned property to offset the outstand mortgage, or redefined the owned property as an investment property, but still have a massive mortgage to offset on.
Does this work?
I don't get what you are saying, but it seems like you want t reborrow money on the old house and apply it to the new house. If you do this you won't improve your deductibility because the purpose of the loan will be private.
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You shouldn't be able to claim anything as the work will be private in nature.
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nomad.
I am a solicitor with a knowledge of estates. I can also speak Japanese. If you want you can email me what you have and I will look into it.
An attorney has a duty to act in the best interests of the donor – so your sister in law may have grounds to sue if they have enriched themselves. As Rob says the POA ceases at death, but the executor or administrator of an estate also has a duty and they can be personally liable as well. If your brother passed away 3 years ago then the estate should have been wound up and distributions made – usually within 12 months. Could it be that hte estate has been wound up and there is money in trust for the children?
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Nice first post –
Sorry to be cynical but you don't work for them do you?
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Maybe you are correct. If one person were to stop contributing then their overall share of the SMSF would decrease as a percentage. But by combining forces this enables the fund to leverage and purchase some bigger assets like a property.
I am not sure about voting rights – if a person's % decreases does their voting rights?? Probably not because all members would be trustees or directors of the trustee. But I haven't looked into this so may be incorrect.
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Don't think that is how it works.
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Best to remove the discretion though.
There are probably heaps more issues, but I cannot think at the moment. Oh, enduring powers of attorney is another. Imagine what would happen in one person were to be injured and in a coma. Another leaves australia for a year or so.
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Oh, yes if you sell to a trust then no stamp duty exemption (I imagine).
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Death is the major one.
Imagine you and wifey die and the two brothers take over. If you do not have a valid binding death benefit nomination then the trustee of the fund will decide (to an extent) on who to pay your death benefits to.
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In VIC you would probably be exempt from stamp duty (or just nominal) to transfer between spouses. What you would need to do is to arrange for your husband to purchase your share at full market value and then he could borrow to do so and claim the interest.
So you need to arrange a valuation for stamp duty (but probably exempt) and CGT purposes. Then get a conveyancer/solicitor to arrange transfer of title and reapply for loans – consider any exit fees and app fees.
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