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You will have to read the Duties Act NSW
I've read it but not with an eye to considering installment contracts.
I can't see how duty wouldn't apply twice as there are 2 transactions and both would be dutiable transactions.
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JohnDoe wrote:Hi TerryYes we have that option as well. We are renovating the IP we are considering selling and it should be finished in 6 weeks – I hope. Plasterers are finishing this week. It depends what the numbers come out at. We purchased for 130k in 2004.Will spend 80k on reno – needed restump, rewire, starightening, plaster, the works so basically new interior. Have had to hold it for last 10mths with no rental income (approx 10k). Took 6 weeks long service as doing most of the work myself except for major stuff. We would lose approx 15k in gov payments and get no childcare benefit (current saving of 15k p.a) so my wife would be working just to pay for the kids to be in care – so she would have to stay home.
The house should be in the 300-340k range.
To be honest we really need someone to sit down with us and go through the options and the figures. And I am happy to pay for that service but I don't know where to go. We don't know what to do.This is something that some financial planners can advise on. But the trouble is finding someone. I am not licenced to give financial advice so can't help. Where are you located?
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lizpaul wrote:Terryw wrote:i would only use a LOC secured on your current house and then use this as deposits with the main loans for each new property being IO loans.With that approach all the securities would be cross collateralised which is not good.
Terry, any comment on using loans instead of the loc for the deposits. A mortgage broker that we saw recommended 2 x $60,000 loans with st george for deposits that we can then use for loans at another bank
A standard loan would be ok. But make sure you don't borrow money and park it in a savings account to write a checque. Draw it down with a bank cheque made out to the person you are paying – such as real estate trust account etc. Using a LOC makes this part easier.
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Not really.
The loss will be a capital loss so it cannot be used to reduce your taxable income. Can only be used to offset capital gains. If there are none in the same tax year then the loss is carried forward.
If you do have a capital gain in subsequent years then the loss will be applied before the 12 month discount.
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That is correct. One trust can distribute to another but there are complex rules to comply with. And If your existing are not in a trust already then this won’t work
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If you sell the IP while your wife has a negative income this may greatly reduce CGT. This may enable you to save more in tax than you would lose in FTB. Loss of FTB may only be for 1 year too.
Also this may enable you to restructure and purchase a new property and set things up more effectively.
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jasonlheath wrote:kat13 wrote:So pay extra in my current mortgage for my house I am living in and roll over the investment into another period of IO? Makes sense in a way, I was very confused about the benefits of doing IO as it seems the difference is really small between paying IO and P&I so I thought it might be better to pay P&I on the investment, that way by the time I retire it should be paid off and just be straight income.This is a scenario I am interested in hearing more info about… if you pay off a house you are living in and then want to buy and move to another place (and rent out the existing house), wont you be in the situation of living in a house with a non-deductible debt, and owning an investment property with no debt? Any legal way to refinance to make it more tax efficient?
Yes that is the case.
Refinancing involves replacing one loan with another so this isn't possible. There are some strategies which involve selling the interest in the property to an associated person such as spouse or a trust etc.
In some state a sale to a spouse can be done without stamp duty. So this offers a great opportunity to restructure yourself tax effectively.
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Sorry, yes not really extra but in NSW no land tax free threshold for most trusts so a trustee may end up paying land tax where an individual wouldn't/
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jmsrachel wrote:That's a real shame. You are one of a few people that can actually explain a concept without causing a headache. Looks like i will need to look up to Boris for answers.Thanks for your comments. I have been explaining these things so long now I know what is easily digestible.
I must say there are thousands of consumers out there who have it all wrong and will be in serious trouble if audited. Most accountants have no idea. same with the brokers and even the lawyers.
I know one lawyer that transfers borrowed money to a savings account to pay for investment expenses. He didn't know this could remove the ability to claim the interest. Other lawyer friends have no idea about trusts or asset protection etc. Very few people are set up effectively.
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I agree. Keep them all separate.
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Your dog is actually a client of mine. Is his name Boris?
No, I am located in Sydney unfortunately.
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Getting a SMSF loan is not really much more difficult than a normal loan in personal names. Setting up the strucutre and understanding it is slightly more complicated, but even this is not too much for the average person.
But the more complicated it is made out to be the more fees that can be charged!!
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You need careful planning and consider the following:
– ability to get finance (most important!) without finance you are stuck
– structure. Sole name, joint names, trust – unit or DT, or company (no).
– injecting capital to the structure – gift or loan (probably loan, but from whom? interest deductibility considerations too)
– asset protection – think of divorce, death or bankruptcy of one or both of you
– land tax
– stamp duty
– GST
– CGT
– Income taxTerryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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Confusing!
Trust assets don't form part of your estate so you cannot leave them via a will but this may have some beneficial aspects if in future your will would be challenged (not effective in NSW though) and/or your child was bankrupt at the time of your death. So there is this estate planning aspect.
Tax minimisation involved the trustee distributing income to the lowest income tax beneficiiary of the group to save tax. But this only is effective if the trust has an income. If the trust is buying residential property then it may be 10 years or so before there is an income to distirbute and in the meantime losses mount up and these cannot be used to offset individual taxes. Must also factor in extra land tax.
Asset protection is greatly improved by holding assets in a discretionary trust because no one beneficiary has any fixed entitlement to the trust assets. But transferring existing proeprty to a trust will significantly weaken the asset protection aspect and also cost in terms of stamp duty and CGT and legals and new loans too.
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Lin. Why do you want a trust. Ie what are you trying to achieve ?
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Mr Burns maybe?
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eg.
$100,000 investment loan.
$1000 cash.You could
1. Park the cash in the loan or
2. Park the cash in the offsetInterest result would be exactly the same
BUT
When you put money into a loan this is a repayment, and
When you take money out of a loan this is a new loanSo with 1, you put $1000 into a loan of $100,000 and the balance becomes $99,000.
If you take $1000 out of the loan to buy a new ivory back scatcher the loan will now be 99% investment related and 1% personal related.Only 99% of the interest will be deductible.
If you were to do that the next month then the deductible portion will be $99,000 – ($1000 x 99%) = $98,001
You can imagine that after 10 years or so you could have a $100,000 loan still, assuming IO, but with a deductible balance of maybe $50,000.
Whereas if you had used an IO loan with a 100% offset then you would have a $100,000 loan with all of it deductible.
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You will still pay tax on your taxable income if it is over $20,450.
Your income will be the rent you receive. From this you can deduct the normal deductions such as rates, insurance, interest and depreciation etc etc.
If this figure is over $20,450 then tax will be payable at the applicable rates.
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You can still claim all the normal deductions if you are not working, but your income will be limited so your may not get much back if any at tax time if you have paid no tax.
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Don't use a redraw loan as this is totally different to an offset and you will be worse off in the long run.
IO loans eventually change to PI so if you keep the loan for 30 years it will be paid off. But the main reason not to use PI on an investment loan is that you will be paying down deductible debt. It may be ok once you have paid off your non deductible home loan, but if you are paying PI on an investment this will lead to your wasting money by paying more tax.
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