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    NSW has 5 days cooling off period too – although this can be waived. If the purchaser pulls out during the cooling off they forfeit 0.25% of the purchase price under the standard contract.

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    You can create new trusts but this won't help with servicing if the same people are giving guarantees.

    There are no books on this sort of thing. For structuring in general see The Trust Structure Guide 2012.

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    Be very careful about redrawing money. Get some tax advice first, but generally you could use the money as deposits on the next property – $8000 is no enough at this stage though.

    And don't be tempted to increase this by paying the loan down, it would be more effective to borrow the equity.

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    Yes you certainly can have 2 trustees and both can provide personal guarantees.

    But think forward – do you intend to buy more property inside and outside the trust? This may actually hurt serviceability depending on your situation.

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    That book is not correct on this topic.

    And, I think you understanding of what was in the book is not correct either. He was not talking about multiple directors, but multiple trusts.

    Income of a guarantor will be used to assess the borrowing capacity. This includes all loans the guarantor has in their personal capacity and as guarantor. So setting up a new company or trust won't effect this as the other loans guaranteed will still affect the new loan applied for.

    You can increase borrowing capacity by having 2 directors of a trustee but you probably shouldn't for 2 reasons:

    1. asset protection

    2. Affect on future borrowings

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    Shape wrote:
    Terryw wrote:

    But, a trust set up under a will or post death in some circumstances will have its income classed as exempted trust income and a child can pay tax at adult rates. This means roughly $20,000 pa fax free per child. So make sure you consider a discretionary trust in your will.

    Interesting…So say im the solo trustee of  ABC trust, if this is included in my will ..does that mean my  next of kin can claim the above  ^ benefits/features? 

    Just a bit lost on what " a trust set up under a will " means.

    Regards 

    Short answer is that trust assets do not form part of your estate and cannot be passed via will.

    Say you own a property as trustee for a trust. You cannot pass this on in your will. You will need to consider who will take over the trust once your die. The trust will continue and a new trustee must be appointed. How this is done is usually stipulated in the trust deed. Usually it is the appointor that decides the new trustee. If you are also appointor then this doesn't help, so you must have a back up appointor in the trust.

    If you don't have a back up appointor it could be your legal personal representative who decideds. This would be your executor if you have a will. So careful consideration is needed as to who this will be. If for whatever reason you don't have a will then someone close to you can apply to the courts to become executor. They could even appoint a private trustee company – such as the Public Trustee.

    So you need to consider succession of your trust carefully or others may take control. And I have seen this happen.

    A will can contain provision for a trust too. eg. you can leave your house to Michael, or you could leave it to Peter as trustee for Michael. You can even have a full discretionary trust or a unit trust in your will. This is called  a testamentary trust.

    There are huge advantages to having a testamenary trust such as:

    1. asset protection if  a child later becomes bankrupt or goes through a family court dispute.

    2. Tax streaming

    3. Tax effective distribution to children – at adult rates meaning $20,000 pa per child tax free.

    So there are huge advantages to leaving property to loved ones via a trust structure.

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    Different states have different rules and they are not very clear. It could be possible in some instances but best method is to avoid the risk of double stamp duy and contract in the relevant entity from the start.

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    JacM wrote:
    I am guessing if you had put the words "and/or nominee" beside your name, you'd not be in this predicament now.

    Possibly this wouldn't have changed anything.

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    What you have signed could be a contract – whether labelled contract or no.

    Seek legal advice asap as you may have a few grounds to termination such as cooling off period and other.

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    This is why you should use a lawyer not a settlement agent.

    I think you would be up for double stamp duty in any case as you entered into the contract in your own name.

    I take it your land is in WA? The OSR are very strict over there I hear.

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    Into_property wrote:
    Hi Terry, Any suggestions as the safest way to setup this type of transaction?

    Safest way would be to pay market value and transfer title.

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    yes and yes but you will still be partially hit with CGT.

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    Based on what you have said about it would probably not be worth doing for a few reasons:

    1. Stamp duty on the onsale to the trust

    2. Less asset protection because you are transferring

    3. Your top tax rate is 32.5% whereas  a company would be 30%

    4. Good idea not to have the trustee as a beneficiary for stamp duty reasons, in NSW at least.

    5. When selling it would be be best to get the gain in your own hands rather than a company as individuals pay only at max of 45% tax, less the 50% CGT discount = 22.5% plus medicate levy. If you distribute to a company 30% with no 50% discount.

    If one property in one name it could have enabled you to split the capital gain between the both of you, but I think it would be too late to implement now.

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    Terms of the trust deed can only be done by a lawyer. These will depend on your siutation and what you are trying to achieve.

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    And just because the valuation has come in short doesn't mean you can get out with the finance clause either. Has the finance been rejected?

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    Yes, the broker must be part of one of these groups selling properties – probably $40k commission build in.

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    You can't break the law just to get $20k.

    Look up the FHOG Act and you will see the definition of "spouse" – which may be in another act such as the Acts Interpretation Act. Then see if you meet the definition. If you are not living together in a domestic relationship then you will probably not be spouses and would probably still qualify.

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    Matt_13 wrote:
    Hi all,

    My wife and I recently signed a contract to buy a house and land package using the equity we have in our house.

    We were to change banks for our home loan then use a non bank lender for the investment loan.  As yet we have not signed any document with either the new bank or the non bank lender.

    We received the mortgage documents from the non bank lender and noticed the figures were no where near what we expected.  When we questioned the mortgage broker he informed us that the valuation was less then expected.  He would not provide exact details over the phone, only in person, so he can put on the salesmen pitch I assume.

    If we haven't signed any mortgage documents, can we use the subject to finance clause to break the contract?

    Thanks for your advice

    Matt

    Holy crap! You should ditch that mortgage broker asap. Why didn't he tell you the loan was approved and for how much and why would a broker not tell you the valuation/

    You should immediately seek legal advice (from a lawyer too and not a conveyancer or broker or hairdresser) and get out of that contract – if you can.

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    If the trust makes a taxable income after expenses then tax will be payable. Who pays depends on the terms of the deed and when the beneficiaries become 'presently entitled' to the income. This can occur before they actually receive the income. “Presently entitled” basically. means a right to demand immediate payment of the income.

    If no one is presently entitled then usually the trustee would be taxed, or maybe default beneficiaries depending on the deed.

     

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    Ritchie,

    You should seek some professional advice on that set up.

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