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- PaulDobson wrote:Hi gags
I've been told that it's illegal to give an undischarged bankrupt credit. I don't know if this is factually correct but we've always taken it as correct. This has left us with the option of selling the undischarged bankrupt a property with a Lease/Option (not a credit contract) but, the time involved to have the bankruptcy disappear off the credit report is just too long for us.
We've often sold with Instalment Contracts to discharged bankrupts and, overall, it's worked out well, i.e. we found their default rate to be the same as everybody else.
Cheers, Paul
As far as I know this is not correct. There is nothing to stop a bankrupt borrowing as long as they declare it.
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JimmySprinkles wrote:Hi guys I've just joined the forum and I have a question.Me and 9 yes 9 other people want to start investing in property in a trust situation.Buying a new property once a year then in a few years twice a year and so on till we are getting 5 a year.If we do this in something like a family trust e.t.c will there be much of a tax issue on our income tax as we all continue with our jobs working 9 to 5.Im a complete novice to this so excuse my question.P.S no thread hijack intended.Cheers.
JS, I have seen many people try this none have succeeded.
Do you realise the effect this would have on an individual's borrowing capacity???
You need to think through the various issues. there are many.
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JimmySprinkles wrote:Terryw wrote:Consider– death
– divorce
– bankruptucy
– withdrawing from the investment
– stamp duty
– borrowing ability
– guarantees
– effect on future borrowings for individuals
– land tax
– cgt
Probably the most flexible structure is a unit trust with a corporate trustee. But the structure within the structure would depend on your situation.
I want to do something similiar to op but with 10 people and my fear is someone getting divorced.What sort of trust if any is divorce proof.lol.
No trust is divorce proof. A company may be safer as shareholder don't have the ability to lodge caveats over company property. A family law dispute could result in some sort of charge over the shares, but not the property of the company – depending.
You need to consider the Coprorations Act rules regarding managed investments too.
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next move would be to speak to your tax advisor. and keep detailed records
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Yes, you could possibly claim the costs of the demolition either upfront or as part of CGT calculations, reduing cost base
and write off the carport materials in some instances
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I dont' know if annullment means void from the begining or not. If it did it would be like the bankruptcy never happened.
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Yes, but there is always hope of an annulment if they can conjure up some money.
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And look at the contract carefully.
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You should get some advice as if you stuff it up you will lose a big amount.
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There is only one type – bankruptcy!
If you become bankrupt this generally lasts 3 years. It can be extended if you do not cooperate with the trustee in bankrupcy or try to hide assets etc. Once this period is over you are discharged.
During bankruptcy you can often negotiate an annulment. This is often done by making an offer to creditors to give them some money in exchange for annulment. Money obviously comes from relatives etc as all your money will be seized. If your bankruptcy is annuled you are let out of bankruptcy which is better than being discharge.
Ramifications. Extremely hard to get finance while bankrupt and not much easier after being discharged. You cannot go overseas during bankruptcy without permission and you will lose various licences such as fin planning, mortgage broking, real estate, security clearances for govt jobs etc.
Bankruptcy will stay on your credit file for 8 years and you will often be asked "have you ever been bankrupt?" on various application forms.
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I don't think there will be a change either.
What time does it come out? 2.30 isn't it??
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JacM wrote:A lot of things on this new site scream of having been built by someone offshore that does not speak English very well at all.
An American perhaps?
Its those marketing 'gurus'. $2500 for a course where you can learn the 10 ways to post a post, but only $500 if you sign up now. And as a bonus we will give you a valueless ebook valued a $299. Plus you will get, at no extra charge, another course for your partner on 'the 5 strategies to get a badge on the leaderboard".
Somersoft is a good forum…
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Yep, but no help. I leave the tabs open for hours sometimes and I guess something behind the scenes starts to time out or something.
Chrome is must smoother for viewing this forum on. I do use chrome too, but for some reason I find firefox more convenient.
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Its getting worse,
I just received 15 notifications to the thread
New comment posted about "Guidance about buying parents' home" (PropertyInvesting.com)
I only made one reply on that thread.
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A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete.
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Very hard to do.
Are you proposing to get sub-division done during your option period? or selling houses off the plan? How are you proposing to finance this?
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Yes, it wastes a lot of time going back to check the thread several times for no reason,
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But what if the $13k was used to pay down personal debt and then reborrowed…
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Havinfun wrote:Terry,Agreed on the income for the wife, as the major breadwinner are we not better off having the interest deductions in my name, thus reducing my taxable income?
Keeping the emotion out of investing the managed funds have not performed that well over the last 5 years, so I am dollar cost averaging additonal funds into the managed fund so that I may have some benefit out of it in a few years.
I have also looked at offloading the funds,maybe not all but thus improving my LVR and buying either another IP or PPOR.
I would take a small hit but would certainly make some gains down the track with more real estate.
The more I invest and the older I get I believe that real estate is the only tried and true investment model.
In my experience the income generated from housing seems to far outway managed funds etc, although in fairness the GFC has been a contributing factor in the returns of the managed funds.
It would only be better to have the funds in your name if you were making a loss. Dollar cost averaging is just a way spruikers justify buying under performing share.
What if you sold the shares now, copped the capital loss and then onlent the money from the LOC to your wife who then buys back the shares. She would then have all future gains and income. If the income is less than the interest then you would have to consider is it really worth holding these shares?
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Have you considered the Centrelink issues?
There could be 2 main ones
1. Selling could mean they have more cash then the threshold allowed which may mean a reduce or no pension.
and
2. Selling undervalue or gifting money would affect them for 5 years. Centrelink would deem them to still have these funds and be earning x% pa on them and this could affect their pension too.
Other issues
– capacity – do they have enough capacity at this stage in their life to understand such a transaction? Could there be allegations of undue influence or unconscionability
– siblings – how well do you get on with them, would they have any objections
– banktupty – what if you went down? greater asset protection if you left the house as is and used it as security maybe
– family law – what if your marriage breaks down?
– disputes over the estate – what if some later disputes the estate. The transfer to yuo could be wound back in some instances.
– CGT – keeping it with the parents would mean tax free capital gains.
– land tax – same
– receiving it via the estate could be so much better, especially if they left it via a testamentary trust and you have children..
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