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What probably happened was that money had been built up in the trust by investments etc and this money was lent to them as beneficiaries. This is hardly tax avoidance. If I lend a friend money it is not tax avoidance so why would this be tax avoidance?
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If there is no growth potential there is no point.
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I am a solicitor specialising in wills and estates and CRJ is pretty much correct above.
A will can be changed anytime, providing the person has capacity to do so. When you do your will you should probably conisder that there may not be an opportunity to change it. It may also be partially changed by doing a codicil which is like an annexure. You wouldn't normally do these, but if there is a possibility that the will could be challenged because of capacity it may be better to do this so the main part would be less likely to be challenged.
The person making the will must sign in the presence of two witnesses who should not benefit from the will. If a will is redone you don't need to have the same witnesses.
You should also consider setting up a discretionary trust in your will – testamentary discretionary trust as there are considerable asset protection and tax advantages for those you leave behind.
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wilko1 wrote:Terry, I guess if this lender was to only lend to unit trusts over discretionary trust. What happens when it's the family trust that owns the units of the unit trust?It depends how deep they dig and who the trustee is of the unit trust. They are not really a lender that would be used anyway and this is an unusual policy.
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Wait – are these good investments? What is the return after expenses. Would you be better off putting your money in the bank?
What is the CG or loss potential? Think of the opportunity cost. tying up your money. Could you use a SMSF?
Think about other entities lending you the money too.
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Yes, the broker is probably aiming for a 4% commission on any house you purchaser upon picking up your photos.
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I have a friend who repossess property for the banks and he is saying that a lot of the lenders are giving much more breathing space to people defaulting now because they are worried about repossessing too many properties at once.
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wilko1 wrote:I've been trying to chase up a answer for this question at most of the big banks but cant seem to find someone who actually knows what they are talking about.My question is Can i use trust income ie family trust to borrow money even if the distributions go to other family members for tax purposes. I thought this would be a pretty clear cut yes but apparently cant seem to find a answer. To elaborate the family trust profit/loss shows a net profit of just under 75,000. So wouldn't this be the figure that the banks are looking at to determine if it has borrowing capacity and not where the distributions end up.
There is no easy answer. If you control the trust by controlling the trustee and appointor roles and the same trust was borrowing again then the income of the trust would generally be taken into account. If you were part of a new trust borrowing then probably would have a harder time.
Most lender assessors don’t really understand trusts so it is sometimes possible to get things done that are not normally doable with trusts.
Also I spoke to a lender the other day who would not lend to discretionary trusts at all, but would to unit trusts. There thinking was like the above, with a discretionary there is no guarantee that any one beneficiary would every get anything.
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Prob not a good idea, generally, to own appreciating assets in a company – 30% flat tax, not CGT discount and inflexible. What about all the franking credits with shares? Would largely be wasted.
I would look more closely at trusts.
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JacM wrote:I guess technically they do not add conditions to the contract… technically they probably do it like this:Print contract of sale document and my page of conditions
Scan it all in
Email to me
I show it to my lawyer before signing
I've done three this way, there has never been an issue… My special conditions are always on an independant page.
Is there any issue you see with this Terry?
As long as they are not drafting or amending the contract. You are just showing them additional conditions which you want incorporated. Usually the solicitor would add them to the contract or first send them to the vendor’s solicitor and say these are the proposed changed, do you accept?
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JacM wrote:That's exactly what I'm saying, yes.Normally it goes like this:
Make an offer, whether it be verbal, via email, or written on a piece of paper and handed to the agent.
If offer accepted, get the agent to insert your special conditions into the contract and give you a copy (a scanned and emailed copy is fine). One such condition can be "A deposit of AUD$4000.00 is payable with 21 business days".
Jac,
Agents cannot insert clauses in contracts. These are legal documents and can only be drafted by lawyers/Conveyancers. In NSW agents are only allowed to fill in the area in the box on the front page – names addresses, price, inclusions etc
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The bank won’t deal with you directly. You will need to go through the bank’s lawyers for the transaction which you can find on the front page of the contract of sale.
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Its not necessary to make a formal offer, but it is a sales technique to lock you in and to present to the vendor that they have 'found a buyer'.
Remember if the other side gets a hold of this contract it would be legally enforceable against you. I wouldn't sign until getting a lawyer to review it either.
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I haven’t got any references to legislation, but should be easy to find in the tax books.
See this ATO document which i found in 5sec on google
http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.aspx?menuid=0&doc=/content/00270214.htm&page=9Look under lease document expenses.
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If the mortgage is across both titles could it be split up? Just thinking if your bank doesn't come to the party then you could move part of it.
Also if you are living in one property can this loan be separated and split off? Possibly not by the sounds of things, but if it could then this would be a way of paying off the non deductible debt first.
Anyway, generally, I would set up a new LOC on the property and then when borrowing to buy future property you would take the deposits from this LOC and get 80/90% loans for the new property from a different lender. If you want to use the LOC to pay expenses or interest then you need to be very careful and seek tax advice first.
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I see. Is that a commercial rent?
Shouldn’t be too many issues in borrowing then except for the fact that multiple units on 1 title. Are the two titles able to be separated ie two separate parcels so you could take half to one bank and half to another?
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Who is the owner of the holiday units? ie what entity?
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You should go into council and request copies of everything you can.
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If some problem were to arise you may find youself in a tribunal or court and you could have the texts admitted as evidence. I wouldn't rely on them too much though, especially not for contractual matters.
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Generally for conveyancing matters solicitors just concentrate on the state they are located in, other than that you would probably want a more local solicitor if there is court appearances too.
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