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    Firewater. Very easy, but cumbersome. Work out how you are going to do it – gift, market value, undermarket value etc and then just fill in the relevant paperwork such as a transfer document from your names to the names of the trustee.

    Apply for a new loan, pay stamp duty and then complete the settlement.

    If it was your main residence before then maybe exempt from CGT. Full stamp duty would normally apply.

    But, why are you wanting to do this? Asset protection is not great, you will be up for CGT from the transfer date and you may have to pay land tax on something that otherwise wouldn’t be taxed.

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    50/50 was just an example. Could be other amounts.

    It may also be possible to lend the SMSF money unsecured.

    or Have a unit trust set up and then you own some units and SMSF own the other. You could lend money to a bare trust of the SMSF and a charge could be taken over the units.Very

    complexx and you will need to spend a fair but on advice

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    JacM wrote:
    Hm I had understood a SMSF could not essentially go into business with or joint-own an asset with a related party.  Would the 5% rule apply here then?

    No because of the above section I quoted which specificially says a jointly owned asset is not classed as an in house asset.

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    JacM wrote:
    No. Your SMSF is not allowed to jv with a related party

    SIS Act section 71(1)(i)
    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/sia1993473/s71.html

    (1) For the purposes of this Part, an in-house asset of a superannuation fund is an asset of the fund that is a loan to, or an investment in, a related party of the fund, an investment in a related trust of the fund, or an asset of the fund subject to a lease or lease arrangement between a trustee of the fund and a related party of the fund, but does not include: …

    (i) property owned by the superannuation fund and a related party as tenants in common, other than property subject to a lease or lease arrangement between a trustee of the fund and a related party; or

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    JacM wrote:
    No. Your SMSF is not allowed to jv with a related party

    JacM – any authority to back this up?

    I don’t know of any restriction in a SMSF buying property jointly with a related party.

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    Because of the land tax issues, I would tend to favour buying in your personal names with planning on which names to use first.

    If there are asset protection issues then a discretionary trust. If the land is in VIC a personal name should be considered first because of the stamp duty issues on spousal sale strategy, but other states maybe a fixed unit trust because of the flexibility.

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    Wilko, a trustee of a SMSF cannot borrow money, s67. But s67A allows a trustee to borrow money (wtf?) by introducing an exception. This is to acquire a single acquireable asset.

    (incidently you know when legislation has been amended when the numbering jumps out of sync and letters have been inserted such as s67 then s67A s67B etc?

    So with your LOC how are you going to get than into the SMSF? Loan or contribution?

    If there was no loan then sub-division would be possible I think.

    Another possibility is a JV with a SMSF. Buying Tenants in Common 50/50 with a SMSF

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    That is longer than the life of a trust and the live of anyone buying!

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    Yes, lawyers can take interstate clients. I wouldn't do conveyancing interstate though as the proceedures vary from state to state.

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    wilko1 wrote:
    Just sign it and or nominee and get your solicitor or conveyancer to nominate which company/trust you select.  That way it's also their fault for any wording errors.   

    Get some legal advice first.
    This could result in paying stamp duty twice in some states, especially if the trust is not in existance at the date of contract.

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    Yes, really there is no need to document the trust at all. But it may be a good idea to put XX ATF YYY.

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    Usually date of contract for the purchase of the land.

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    I've been approached by a forum member to fix a trust he set up incorrectly. Property already purchased so it would take around $5k in legal fees to fix this particular problem with all the loans being redone. Past tax mistakes unable to be fixed.

    A trust could be set up within a hour, but you really need time to seek legal advice (from a lawyer!!!) and to digest this advice. ie you should ideally stew things over for a while. Corporate trustee/individual, strucutre of the trustee company, structure of the trust, type of trust, succession plan for trust, trustee duties, trustee powers, asset protection enhancements, how to use the trust, how to get money into the trust etc all need to be considered. You should also consider the tax side of things too.

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    If it was first used as a main residence then two options
    1. Keep it as your main residence while renting out, temp absence rules. s118_145 ITAA 1997
    or
    2. s118-192 ITAA 1997 first use to produce income.
    ” (2) You are taken to have * acquired the * dwelling or your * ownership interest at the income time for its * market value at that time.


    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/itaa1997240/s118.192.html

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    suzanneperth wrote:
    Does anyone know of lenders who will lend to a trust where the beneficiaries have bad credit but the trust is good and can put a sizable deposit down?  

    Yes, all lenders that lend to trusts. As long as the trustee or director of the trustee is clean. This is for discretionary trusts. Unit trusts may be a bit harder, but can also be done.

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    Someone could park cars there maybe?

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    Be prepared for a low valuation for new off the plan type propertie.

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    You need to calculate the cost base. Cost of land and materials, stamp duty etc, Market value wouldn't come into it.

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    This is unusual. Is it near Manly in Sydney?

    How many years on the lease left?

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    You have to be careful with leases with commercial.

    Had a friend who purchased a property with a nice lease in place. A few weeks after settlement the company leasing was placed into administration. It turns out they were connected to the company selling the property. ie the company owner.

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