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- savymeens wrote:Hi
We purchased a property today in VIC. We had done a pre -inspection before settlement and found that the electrical appliances are not working and neither the air conditioning systems has got their remotes. We have told the estate agent as well as conveyance about it and asked if the vender can fix these issues before the settlement . but got no answer from either vender or our convenyancer. The first time when we did the property inspection , there was no electricity or gas connection.And now the property is been settled without our consent and convensar assured us that they are going to ask for some compensation or withheld the money, but nothing has been done .Can we ask for compensation or not.
We feel like we have been ripped off the money we have paid for.
Did you instruct your conveyancer not to settle? if so you may have a claim agains them.
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In NSW it is definitely the "dutiable value" or the transfer amount, whichever is greater. s21 Duties Act.
If a transfer between related parties the OSR will insist on a valuation too.
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You would want to set it up so your existing property will not be used as security for the new one. Avoid cross collateralising the loans.
You should probably set up a LOC type loan on the existing one up to 80% LVR.
$550,000 x 80% = $440,000. Less your exisitng loan of $330k = $110k
Use this as deposit for the investment and for all costs, except interest. Don't use your cash for the investment or you will be throwing money away in paying extra tax.
The investment loan could be 80% = $400,000 x 80% = $320,000. 89k plus costs coming from the St G LOC.
This way you will have 3 loans
1. Main residence at $330k. St G
2. LOC at 110k. St G
3. IO loan at any bank for $320,000
Interest should be deductible on 2 and 3 provide certain rules are followed.
The cash money should be in an offset account – normally off 1, but you have fixed so cannot. Probably best connected to loan 3. Don't put any money into LOC whatsoever except for the payment of interest.
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1. Yes it is legally possible.
But there are many many potential legal minefields to negotiate so seek legal advice.
2. Tell him you are getting $400k worth of property for free!
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Often there are sunset clauses which allow either party to rescind in something, such as registration of strata plan, isn't done by a certain date. I successfully got out of a long off the plan contract in VIC many years ago because they were so slow and prices had not increased – probably dropped.
Talk to your lawyer asap.
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Nice summary. A lot has changed it seems!
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Number 8 is right.Captialising interest is ok, but the ATO can deny the deduction if the dominant purpose is for paying off your home loan sooner. See the recent tax ruling in 2012.
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lance1 wrote:Hi guys,Firstly, apologies if this has been repeated before but i was hoping that someone could shed some light as all the examples i've tried to refer to aren't hitting the nail on the head. Basically, my situation is as follows:
I purchase vacant land in 2003 for 110K
Sold this plot of land in March for 210K
Basically, i'm trying to work out my capital gain.
My question is more around how i work out the cost base? Do i add the stamp duty and legal fees i paid? Also, can i claim things like council rates and water rates? Because this was unserviced land, i never earned an income so i paid interest on the loan and also council rates etc. Can i add these expenses also? I know i get a 50% government concession on the capital gain, but just unsure of the other costs i incurred while holding onto this land?
If there's anyone out there that can break this down for me, that would be great.
Thanks in advance
Basically cost base is purchase price plus all expenses (unless already claimed) including interest.
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proprookie wrote:Terry, for CGT purposes can we choose between "% of time as IP" vs cost-base before it changed to a PPOR? The tenants will be moving out in 2 weeks so in total it would have been rented out for 4 weeks (2 in the last financial year). The property will be my PPOR for at least a year (FHOG and WA grant requirements) after then I'll move out and make it an IP. If I sell it 5 years from now can it still be exempt from CGT? Thanks.No, there is no choice. It can never be exempt from CGT – but the effect will be minimal. You may even be able to claim the main residence exemption on the period after you move out.
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Rory1 wrote:Thanks Terry, not a simple situation for me to work through!Very complex. Most lawyers couldn’t advise. I wouldn’t advise on something like this as I don’t know enough about international tax aspects.
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Rory1 wrote:Hi all,There is some great info here which is really helpful, but I also have some questions that I am hoping you can assist with.
My situation: I now live in Norway with my wife and our 2yo son. I have an Australian salary until at least Dec 2014, but probably Dec 2015. My current gross salary is about $78K as I am on part time leave without pay (normally about $120K). I have about $80K in the bank, of which I am prepared to spend about $40K, keeping the either $40K as contingency. I have an investment property which I owe about $51K to NAB. I declined an offer on this place in March 2012 for $230K (kicking myself!).
I am looking to replace my Australian income with passive income from property. To do this I estimate I need approx 10-12 properties (minimum), based on a net positive cashflow of approx $10K per property. I am looking at acouple of high cashflow investments such as unit blocks and between 4-6 NRAS properties as the core of my portfolio. Once I have sufficient passive income, I would also seek to acquire acouple of properties in CBD of Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane or Perth which may initially be negatively geared, but have a very good capital gains prospect.
I need a suitable finance structure to achieve this goal, and after reading 'From 0 to 130 Properties in 3.5 Years', I am hopeful a Trust structure may be suitable for me. My main issue is, before I go through the process of establishing a Trust, how can I be confident of getting suitable finance to acquire multiple properties (I estimate at least $4 million in finance is required for me to gain enough suitable properties)?
I would likely be sole director and beneficiary as my wife is Norwegian and doesn't have Australian residency or citizenship, or bank account (and we live in Norway). Is this an appropriate structure? Am I able to make small dispersals to my infant son if I establish an Australian bank account for him? (I have read comments about tax implications for distributing to minors).
I have spoken previously to my accountant who has advised I am, and can remain, an Australian resident for tax purposes.
Also, as I said, I have read 'From 0 to 130 Properties in 3.5 Years', which was a great help, and I have also read 'Value Investing in Property' by Gavin McPherson, and the way I understand it, Gavin is very critical of the Trust structure methods that Steve talks about as a method of quickly acquiring significant numbers of properties. Any thoughts?
Many thanks for your assistance and feedback
R.
Rory,
Again, very complex because of the international aspects. You may be a resident, or you may not depending on your situation. This may also change in the future.
Assuming you are a resident then the trust structure may work. You should probably speak to a broker and make sure you can service before setting up the trust.
Also ask your accountant of the consequences for the trust if you were to become non residence. Foreign controlled trusts and companies are the complex part.
You can distribute to your son, but ask what are the tax consequences when distributing to a non resident child – withholding tax etc.
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You may be hard pressed to justify this other than claiming a small percentage based on use.
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se7en wrote:Hi Terry,I have always planned on seeking advice from an accountant, lawyer and broker but I have always found it hard to work out which order was best.
Because of my situation I figured accountant was best as most of my concerns revolve around taxation. This said, what worries me is that if one pays for an accountants advise (and as you said it could be expensive in my case) and then sees a lawyer, what happens if there is a discrepancy between what the two are saying. its almost as if you need to have everyone in the same room at once in order to avoid any back and forth and therefore larger fees.
After looking on the ATO website it seems that I am a nonresident for tax purposes – I have moved overseas indefinitely with no plans to return permanently (I have no idea how they can measure this) I have a bank account in AUS but nothing is going in except a small amount of interest and this will be shut down shortly, other than that I have nothing there. I have canceled all insurances, registrations and own no assets there.
Would you say it is wise to see an accountant for advise about structure re. tax and resident status and then see a lawyer to do the actual set up?
Also I know it will be an approximate number but could you give me a ball park figure for such complex advise?
Thanks for your help!
Its almost certain that no 2 advisers would agree! This sort of stuff is not black and white. e.g. residency for tax purposes – there would be arguments that you are a resident and arguments that you are not a resident, one may be stronger than the other depending on the circumstances. Circumstances change too.
Don’t assume you are a non resident. Get some proper advice on this, as many people think they are one but end up being the other.
see this summary of recent cases
http://www.mondaq.com/australia/x/206608/Income+Tax/non+australian+resident+for+tax+purposesInstead of seeing an accountant, why not a tax lawyer? It is tax law you are after advice on after all.
You are looking at around $500 upwards per hour for this sort of advice. Its not for the average accountant, but someone with good international tax knowledge.
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se7en wrote:I plan on contacting my accountant re. setting up a trust possibly offshore to help me take full advantage of the tax free situation I find myself in now that I am working in Dubai for this I need to educate myself so I can ask the right questions.Any advise on this, in terms of the things I need to be asking? or any clues about structures that can be used to help me in my situation. My goal is to buy property in AUS while living here in Dubai but if it works out better for me to look to tax free regions of the world to take advantage of my situation then perhaps I will do that, but again that will require a lot more education, whereas I already have a fairly good understanding of the AUS markets/processes.
Any advise would be great.
Cheers
You might want to contact a lawyers as well. Trusts are legal promises – a set of legal and equitable obligations. They should be set up by lawyers who are legally able to explain the roles of the parties to a trust and the legal implications and duties. A non lawyer cannot do this.
Also if you have overseas connections then you need specialist advice. Firstly you may be a non resident for tax purposes, or you may still be a resident despite living and working overseas (there is a recent case where an Aussie living in Dubai for approx 2 years was still deemed to be a resident here and therefore taxed here).
There are also implications if you are a resident and control a foreign trust and/or company. Complex stuff.
Expect to pay large sums for this complex advice too!!
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Its more complicated.
you will have to read the deed very carefully and find out who has the power to do this and how it can be done. You should also consider that changing things could force a resettlement of the trust and this could mean CGT and Stamp duty on the whole of the assets of the trust.
Consider also what happens if you die – who takes over, it is the person you want to control the trust? Could it fall into the hands of someone you don't want – such as the executor of your will, which could end up being the public trustee.
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So why do you want to refinance?
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If you own the properties are you wanting cash out? Do you have existing loans on them?
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based on rent only, probably 65% LVR with a rate of around 8.14% for a commercial property
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simonanderson wrote:Thanks Terry and Richard.Yes, I think a broker, accountant and lawyer are all key to the success of the structure and finance of the purchase.
Richard, I assume in your scenario the daughter was named as beneficiary on the trust deed? I could not imagine them asking for her to be guarantor unless she was named as beneficiary, trustee or director of corporate trustee.
Terry, regarding naming my wife as beneficiary, if I just put myself as beneficiary, would I still be able to distribute to my wife and her family if needed?
Thanks for your help.
Regards
Simon
Dear Simon,
Make sure you seek legal advice on this as not naming a person will affect the class of beneficiairies too. She would generally be included, but her family may not, depending on the word of the Deed.
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I have a friend who is can experienced property lawyer. he does't do litigation, or debt recovery, but be does conveyancing for around $1100 plus GST and disbursements. he does every state in Australia too. I think this is very cheap as some conveyancers charge more!
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