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To be able to claim interedt the borrowed money needs to be used for income producing purposes.
If you borrow money and gift it to a trust you cannot claim the interest.
If you onlend it to a trust you could claim the interest if it is a commercial transaction. That woukd mean charge the trust at least what you pay in interest. This would be income to you.
If you borrow to buy income producing units of a trust then you may be able to claim the interest depending on the set up and wording of the deed. You would have to be absolutely entitled to both income and capital of the trust to be able to Claim 100%.
Seek legal advice.
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Mortgage duty has been abolished in NSW for personal borrowers.
There is an exemption from stamp duty on the transfer of land in NSW upon relationship breakdowns, but certain conditions need to be met. He should seek legal and tax advice as I was talking to an accountant this morning whose client did something similar and stuffed things up.
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tom123 wrote:whys that?Too risky and too many complex legal issues so high potential for disputes and therefore litigation.
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tom123 wrote:i see, cause my orginal idea was to go buy houses by baby sitting a loan strategy so i wouldn't need to pay stamp duty or a deposit. then rent it out as a buy and hold and just keep doing that.would you say it's more of a short term strategy then?
Cheers, Tom
Don’t really see it as a strategy at all!
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Must be a non bank lender – these are often best avoided.
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tom123 wrote:Hi Terry,with baby sitting a loan, could i do this as a buy and hold stategy? also what are the disadvantages for the vendor by letting me do this with their loan?
You possibly could. But this would be potentially dangerous for both parties so seek legal advice.
Disadvantage for the vendor is that he/she is giving someone an interest in the property, creating legally complex issues surrounding priorities. What if the vendor as legal owner died and left the property via a will to his son, the loan babysister would have to take legal action pretty quick to stake their claim and this could lead to a costly case in the Supreme Court.
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GrantMck wrote:Hi Wilko1,The ATO is forever changing the legislation and policies. The last amendment was on the 20 th June 2013. I have noted two useful links into the ATO website which will explain a few different scenario's and also the 2013 Property Investment Guide.
A little research upfront is always advisable because if the ATO start looking into your Property Investment transactions, it is very likely that it will not stop there!
http://www.ato.gov.au/uploadedFiles/Content/MEI/downloads/ind00342353n17290613.pdf
Cheers Grant
Grant,
The ATO doesn’t change the legislation and doesn’t have the power to. Legislation is changed by government.
The ATO does change focus, and does ignore and misinterpret legislation sometimes.
On this topic, I think the law is clear. If someone is buying and renovating ‘as a business’ then they can be taxed as a business and the main residence exemption won’t apply.
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Wilko, could be uncrossing a cross, but
Cross collateralising loans is when there are 2 securities for 1 loan. (ie the collateral/security is crossed, not the loan).
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Possible, depends on the circumstances.
see steele case
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Not sure if I read you post right, but if he is combining loans then it may be difficult to apportion interest, especially if extra repayments are made and/or one is sold.
And, if he gets into financial trouble and goes to sell one property to release some cash to pay out his problems, then the bank could step in and take the proceeds forcing him into deeper trouble.
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He is doing something that could cause him problems in the future.
2 main issues are tax and asset protection – if he gets into financial difficulty it may be more difficulty for him to control the situation.
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Why not do both!
Buy PPOR and later rent it out, claim everything, but still apply the main residence CGT exemption under s118-145.
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Wow, thasi a good position. make sure you get some legal advice on tax and asset protection strategies too
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A lease is just a contract so the normal laws of contract would apply if the RTA didn't.
This section probably relates to situations where owners sell a property and then remain their for up to 2 months before moving into their new property.
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When buying a 'house' you are actually being land with the house attached. technically the house is a fixture – it becomes part of the land. So the house is usually owned under the same structure as the land is owned.
There are rare exceptions such as on leased land the building is often constructed and owned by the tenant.
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I did mine thru AAMC. Pretty good, although I did mine over the net.
From a qualifications perspective I don't think it matters one bit who you study under as long as you get the piece of paper needed at the end of it.
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Hi John,
Transferring to a trust will not assist your serviceability for more loans. This is because being guarantor for a loan is assessed in the same way as being a borrower.
Having the property in your own name would also assist your retirement.Transfer is not as simple as changing names on titles. You will need to seek legal advice – from a lawyer, not a settlement agent – as there are many issues involved such as stamp duty, land tax, asset protection, estate planning, bankruptcy, corporations act, conveyancing act matters and heaps of tax issues.
For example,
1. say you just changed the name on title without changing the loan amounts – this could mean you are disadvantaged in terms of tax deductibility.2. Say you transferred to a trust and lost control of the trust to another beneficiary = you lose the property
3. say you transferred it for under market value and later when bankrupt…
There is not much equity in it now, so transfer to a trust won’t assist in extracting equity in a tax effective manner. If you had paid the loan off nearly then it would be different – the trust could borrow to buy it from you at full market value and claim interest on the whole loan amount. Released funds could be used for a new main residence – indirectly allowing the claiming of interest on the main residence.
Basically to transfer now will mean stamp duty, conveyancing fees, legal advice, tax advice, new loans -discharge of mortgage, new mortgage, exit fees new loan fees etc.
You might be better to rent it out and rent yourself for up to 6 years and then reassess the trust thing down the track.
Any new property you buy you should consider a trust though.
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Hi John,
Before I comment on your proposal may I ask the following:
1. Why do you want to do this?, and
2. Which State is the property located in at the moment?
3. What is the current loan on the property and what is the current value?
4. Would it be a good investment? i.e. would you want to buy it again now if you had your chance again.
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The 99/1% structure is not a good idea at the best of times. Owning 1% is virtually worthless but being on title it exposes the person to large asset protection issues because they will need to guarantee/be on the loan for that property. It does give some control in that the property cannot be sold withou the approval of the 1% owner, but this could be acheive by a caveat. This structure will also hurt future borrowing capacity at the 1% person is liable for the whole debt by can only rely on 1% of the rent. Who advised on this structure?
The so called adviser did give simplistic and bad advice – Are the legally able to advise on tax and trusts? Only solicitors can advise on the set up and legal implications of a trust as this is legal advice. Tax agents could advise on the tax consequences, but this is only a small part of what you need advising on – what if you did all this and then another beneficiary took control of the trust for example.
Your advisor should have told you the stamp duty and CGT consequences of moving properties into a trust – loan break and entry costs, conveyancing too. What about the clawback provisions of the bankruptcy act, conveyancing act and corporations act? The fact that you cannot leave trust assets in your will, etc too. Duties and responsibilities of a trustee, rights of beneficiaries, what happens on bankruptcy, incapacity. etc.
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Little asset protection on transfer to a trust too.
If your husband were to be able to distribute money to the trust then he could also distribute to you and this could offset any loss.
Sole traders can employ people.
Is your husband's income really subject to the PSI rules? Get some proper advice on this too.
Setting up a company to operate may be a good idea. But having 2 directors is just silly! Directors need to guarantee everything and often go down with the ship when it sinks. Doubling exposure without any benefits.
Yes you did get bad advice which was probably illegally given, and was possibly negligent.
I would suggest you first get some advice on the PSI issues. if your husband can operate under a company the company could either employ you, or dividends could flow through to the shareholders – which could be a discretionary trust and then diverted to you to eat up some of the losses.
Your accountant doesn't seem to be very good either. Main reason to use a pty ltd company is to limit liability.
What state is the property in?
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Pimobpi,
Either way the CGT would be paid on market value.
But it could be more beneficial to pay market value – if mum goes bankrupt at a later date this transaction could be reversed, or at least scrutinised carefully..
Same with the gift of cash, but this would be easier to cope with.Also transferring at market value can assist with asset protection strategies such as gifting cash to a discretionary trust and then borrowing it back
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