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    I would be willing to do this in exchange for an upfront brokerage fee. However the administrative burden of transferring the trail each month to the client's account would be high, so my upfront fee would need to be higher.

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    I think it you should take an approach where you consider some of the many aspects:

    1. Asset protection

     a. From potential creditors

     b. Family law type issues

     c. Losing control of the trust

    2. Taxation of income

    3. Taxation of CG

    4. Stamp duty

    5. Land tax

    6. Lending issues

    7. Succession issues

    Factor in the costs for legal advice, loans, tax advise, ASIC fees (if applicable), amending trust deeds down the track etc

    From financial pov just draw up a spreadsheet and work out the differences in cashflow between owning in your own name v owning as a trustee.

    Also you haven't even considered where to put a unit trust in there too – this could create further opportunites for some tax strategies and also the ability to transfer the units to a SMSF in the future.

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    Wouldn't it make much sense if all the stamp duty and land tax laws across australia were unified. It wastes so much time having to consider the different laws in each state like this!

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    mola wrote:
    Yes my loan has been approved and it is all because of Jamie Moore who was nothing short of amazing.

    He was able to negotiate an extension on my cooling off period and had the loan approved in record time, unconditionally approved after the first broker from Aussie got the application knocked back, while all along managing to reassure me and dealing with my endless number of hysteric phone calls. He kept both me and the agent informed through every step which made me more relaxed than I have been for a long time. Sorry to rumble on. It is just that I am so excited and that it seems too good to be true.

    Thank you so much Jamie Moore. I will be eternally grateful.

    Thank you so much jmsrachel for recommending Jamie.

    That is great. It is like the difference between eating mcdonalds and fine dning!

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    nicki_ wrote:
    Terryw wrote:
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    Terryw wrote:
    I know nothing of your situation so can't answer.

    I think thats been the point of all the information in my OP.

    Limited information.

    Well I wouldn't call it nothing.

    Thanks for your limited input.

    Can't say it was useful. Wasn't asking for much, just to come to a property investing forum and post for ideas and suggestions re. putting a property in a trust or in my name. My guess is people don't know much about it themselves, hence why the responses have been lees than helpful.

    You seem to misunderstand trusts. Not as simple as you think maybe.

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    nicki_ wrote:
    Terryw wrote:
    I know nothing of your situation so can't answer.

    I think thats been the point of all the information in my OP.

    Limited information.

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    nicki_ wrote:
    I don't plan on staying there long term but I do plan on keeping it long term as an investment. So based on that would you think the trust is the way to go?

    I know nothing of your situation so can’t answer.

    If you are only going to be there short term you may still be able to take advantage of your main residence absence provisions (s118-145) to keep it tax free after you move out for up to 6 years.

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    If property 2 is owned by a trustee then you won’t get the CGT main residence exemption which you otherwise could. This is potentially a lot to give up.

    Not sure of the land tax situation in SA – but you could have land tax issues in the future too.

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    Did you meet the lawyer or speak to that set up the trust? It would probably be valid, but is it effective? What about the asset protection issues with default beneficiaries? You may be approaching the stage of having a properietary interest in the trust the way it is structured.

    That ruling is from 1985. There has been a whole new tax act enacted since then ITAA 1997. I suggest that it could be possible to rent from a trust you control and have the trust claim the deductions – you need to seek specific tax advice on the situation.

    Have you appointed the successor appointor? What happens if you don't? I have seen cases where the public trustee becomes appoiintor of a family trust.

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    So it seems tax is your main concern.

    Accountants can only give tax advice. Assignement of a contract or recission etc is legal advice and you need to talk to a lawyer – not a conveyancer.

    I don't know if your trust is valid. The internal structure of the trust is important. There could be some asset protection issues with the way you have set it up.

    What do you mean appoint a successor? Who has this power? How is it exercised – have you done it yet – whether appointing a back up appointor by deed or by your will. There is a recent case involving a trust and an experienced lawyer who had himself appointed new appointor of a trust controlled by his dad. Dad later died and the appointment was invalid – someone else took control of the trust.

    Sounds like you are manipulating the rent to break even – is this arms lenght? Why pay rent? Why not do it arms length and have the trust make a loss? Why do you think you cannot make a loss if living there? Do you have a private ruling? Whats the reasoning?

    How does stamp duty in SA work? On the deposit? In NSW you pay stamp duty on the contract of sale.

    Does duty result if you change names on the contract or if the person that settles the contract is different to the one who signs the contract?

    I am a bit concerned you are using an accountant for advice, except for the rent issue all of this is legal advice.

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    Couple of points:

    – Why are you considering the trust for this property? i.e what are you trying to achieve?

    – You seem to be getting advice from a conveyancer on the assignment to the trust – what are the legal implications of this? You have signed in your name and are supplying the deposit….

    – How is your trust structured?

    – What are the succession issues?

    – What happens if you lose capacity?

    – land tax issues?

    – If you pay the trust rent but the trust not claim any deductions (why do you think you cannot do this?) then the trust will have income and you will end up paying tax on the rent you pay to your trust.

    – Any stamp duty implications on changing names before settlement? (which state?)

    BTW, You can't be only beneficiary of the trust – or it wouldn't be a discretionary trust. You may be the only named beneficiary? You can also not have a trust with one person being the trustee and the sole beneficiary – there would be no trust. A trust is where B owns property for C.

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    cs_rlewis wrote:
    hi everyone,

    A few months back i accessed the equity in my investment property (about 52K) to fund another property i was purchasing. Suppose i was to sell this property (the property i used to access the equity), are any capital gains i make on the property free to me to use however i want? Or do i have to pay off my equity loan.

    Thanks,

    Ryan

    You can do with your money as you please, but the interest on the $52k loan will no longer be deductible.

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    Keep detailed ;omg term records of every thing as you won't be able to claim the main residence CGT exemption in full, ever.

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    Smoke and mirrors!

    What is her definition of a vestey trust?

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    Hi Plummer,

    This is a good point. Years ago I used to do my own rate returns and work it all out for myself and then give it over to the tax agent for processing. He always found things I have missed and this usually was enough to pay for the return. Doing it myself and reading the tax packs was the best way of learning.

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    Lawyers make more money than the original cost would have been by fixing up DIY mistakes! I guess accounts too. Amending 2 to 4 years of tax returns for example.

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    Unless the buyer is handing over the payment price at settlement the seller will not have the cash needed to buy the new one (unless from other sources). Same with you selling on installment contract.

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    But how do you know if it is going to be an easy conveyance?

    Conveyancers are not qualfied to advise in other related areas either – sucession issues, asset protection, bankruptcy.

    What if it turns out to be the executor of a deceased estate…

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    Interesting question.

    I don't know the definitive answer but would suspect it would not be classed as your main residence while you are absent. So this may effect your pension. Once you move back in you may be able to count it as a main residence agian.

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    No CGT likely as this seems to be a profit making enterprise rather than a long term investment. Profit likely to be taxed as income. Since new property involved GST would be on the sale price – possibly able to apply margin scheme

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