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M: Based on this, i do not see any point in buying in the name of a company in my situation. Do you agree?
T: There can be some reasons to buy in the company name. One is land tax. But this would depend on where you are buying
M: I have read somewhere that in this scenario if one trust incurred losses from one property…. then this can offset the gain of the other two IP-trusts structure, consequently evening the gains across the investing structure and therefore producing a more effective distribution across the beneficiaries. Is this right?
T: One trust could distribute to another trust, depending on the trust deed and some legal issues. So a trust with a loss could receive a distribution from the trust with the income.
You may also be able to set your business up with a separate trust so profits from the business could be distributed to the trust with the loss.
M: if my IP1 produce positive cash flow, then this money should be move to an offset 100% account.
T: If you are talking about cashflow from the property then this is best put into a 100% offset account attached to the PPOR loan as this interest is not deductible. This is just income so there are no tax consequences. If you are talking about withdrawing equity (ie borrowing) then you should never deposit this money into a savings account.
M: What is involve in the process of re-using the money distributed to the beneficiaries back into further investments?
T: Distributions to beneficiaries means the money belongs to them. They could use that money to pay down non deductible debt or lend it back to the trust or gift it back to the trust. There are various legal and tax consequences involved and things should be considered carefully.
If a distribution hasn't been handed over to the beneficiary then this is called an Unpaid Present Entitlement. The money belongs to the beneficiary and it is treated as a loan by the beneficiary to the trust. There are various legal issues here such as what happens if the beneficiary demands repayment and the trust hasn't got liquid assets to make the repayment? This can often happen on death and can lead to the estate suing the trust (seen if happen with one of my clients).
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Hi Manolo
I think you must have misunderstood your accountant as what you have written above is strange and wrong.
If the company is buying the property in its own right then the tax on the income will be fixed at 30%. The company can pay dividends to the shareholder which is the trust. But trusts cannot retain income (or be taxed at 45%) so the trust must distribute the income to beneficiaries. If you or your husband were to receive distributions you would pay additional tax. There is also no 50% CGT discount for companies so the company would pay at least 7.5% more tax than you would if a trust owned the property or your personally owned it. Also it could be much less.
The asset protection is not so secure. Directors of the company will need to personally guarantee any loan and if the investment fails the director(s) can lose their personal assets. If a tenant sues then you may be protected by the limited liability of the company.
If a company or a trust owns a property then losses can only be offset by that company or trust. Similar if you buy a property in your name, you cannot use the losses to offset your husband's income. However, if you are self employed there is a way you can negatively gear in a company or a trust and that is to distribute from one entity to another – depends on how you are set up.
The property you are in now – is that in VIC? if so you could buy out your spouse for no stamp duty and increase deductions.
your questions are unclear.
1 – if your husband owns the property you cannot claim anything. If a company or a trust owns it, same
2. what do you mean by profit? If you have money you could move that into an offset account. If the offset account is in your hushand's name then there are other implications but you could consider lending him the money or gift him the money to park in his offset account.
My thoughts are that you have probably not structured ideally.
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manolo76 wrote:Hi everyone. Firstly i would like to acknowledge how much i have been able to learn from all your comments in the forum, so thank you.I would like to share with you my case. My partner and I bought a property in 2010, where we are living, in a town south of Sydney with the idea of making it an IP. So we took on a IO Loan with and offset account so we can minimize the interest and have the money available to move to purchase to our home when the time comes around.
We bought this town house at 295.000$. The house is in my partner's name. We performed a cosmetic renovation. The property is currently value 330.000$. The loan is currently at 231.000$.
Considering LVR of 90% we have 66.000$ equity. The rental return of this property is approx. 390-420$ a week. With the current interest rate on the loan of 5.2% (which i am trying to refinance to bring down) it will be a nice positive cash flow property. The offset account has 85.000$. Adding to these factors we just a saw a house where we would like to buy to live given that match our life style and work location.
So we are a little bit unsure about taking the decision to move forward. I should say our combine income is 230.000$ pre tax.
1) If i decide to buy the home for my family should i use just the money in the offset. Would the use of the equity in this property be a poor decision given that can be use for other investment and in this way maintain
it tax deductible.
2) Today the IP property will be positive cash flow, however I am afraid if the interest rate rise to 7% it will become negative. i would like to know what is you opinion in regard with this topic and how would you manage this. I guess that one way to speculate will be the rise in rental income although i am not sure if i can match my rental every time the interest rate goes up.
3) What will be the most tax effective and cost effective Loan structure way to move my equity.
I should also add that we discussed with our accountant our future and they suggested to set up a company and a trust which we have done and have not have the opportunity to use yet.
So the next investment property we will be looking for it will be renovated and rented. Should we consider to use the company rather than the trust in this case in order to claim?
I look forward to you input.
Hi
Here is my take
1. Ideally you should borrow 100% of the new property in case it is ever rented out in the future. To do you you would get the 90% LVR loan and set up a separate split on the existing one for the remainder. Once you have settled on the new PPOR move all of your cash from the other offset to the offset on this one. Have the loan IO and just keep plugging money into the offset.
2. I wouldn't be afraid. If rates are rising that would probably mean the economy is heating up and rents could be rising faster than usual. Rates are probably going to just in 0.25% increases so it will take a long time before they hit 7%. The interest on this will be deductible too so this lessens the pain. And if you are worried you could consider fixing a portion of the loan.
Not sure why your accountant set up a trust before you intend to use it. What sort of trust and did you get advice on the land tax implications?
3. You could set up another split on the existing loan and then borrow to pay for investment related expenses and use this to keep spare cash in the offset.
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Being fixed doesn't mean you cannot set up a new loan with the same bank – and Benny's suggestion is good too.
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Many ways you could do something like this. some are:
1. approach the owners of the property
2. Find someone to invest with you
3. Find a builder – you arrange a profit split
4. find someone to lend you money
5. you lend someone money and they buy it
6. Use a unit trust to invest.
etc
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Finance should be structured under normal principals. Initially you would want to borrow as much as possible. Ideally 104%. Borrow the costs to strata title too.
Once strata titled sell off the units you want to and then split the loan so there is a portion for each unit. All loans IO and an offset account attached to the one you are living it. You may need advice on how much each portion of the loan will be. Probably won't be equal depending on the valuations of each units – ideally you want to attribute higher loans to the ones that will be investment.
So separate the loans first and then sell. Using the proceeds to pay down your PPOR loan first (or into the offset). If you sell first and then split you will end up with lower tax deductions.
Also factor in income tax and GST on the sale.
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Terryw wrote:One of my goals is to be legally able to offer advice on 4 main areas of investing 1 law 2 financial planning 3 finance 4 taxation. I plan to open my own law firm and a separate company for financial planning. Aim is first half of 2013Wow 12 months have passed and it seems like much longer.
I opened my firm, FinLaw Pty Ltd, in March 2013. I never did open my own financial planning firm, but have an in house financial planner sitting in my office and work closely with him. I can also advise on tax and credit matters.
One of my other goals was to lose some weight, but I think I have put some on.
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I don't think it would make a difference. Interest accrues daily but is charged monthly. So if you make a deposit to the loan account the day after interest is taken it will benefit you by reducing the principal until the next payment of interest.
But it won't be an issue with hte offset account.
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Do you mean there is one title for the whole block?
If so the owner will not be able to sell this unit separately. They would be to be strata titled.
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Jacqui
sounds like you are doing very well!
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Think if it this way, if you were to go bankrupt the banks would take the property securing your debt to them. Any other assets would be up for grabs. But if you don't own anything and have little equity then there will be nothing for creditors to take – this could discourage them from suing you in the first place.
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Yes. but that really means you have little to no assets!
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I was a mortgage broker for several years and then started studying law and became a lawyer. It was a lot of work and took about 5 years but now I wish I had done it sooner. Given your tax background you may even get some exemptions too – and you can still give similar advice to what you are doing now, but get paid double! So why not become a lawyer? A tax lawyer?
I am also a mortgage broker still – I gave it up for a while, but got back in because it is easy work and it ties in with the legal advice. I've qualified as a financial planner and decided not to get licenced myself but have a licenced adviser in my office. This seems to be the most difficult of law, tax and mortgage broking. It is a lot of work and hard to find people willing to pay the fees which justify the work. There is a lot of compliance work involved.
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Answers
1. Yes – is dad still working?
2. LOC on dad's property
3. Yes – but consider if it should be. A trust could be a good idea, it depends
4. Easy, but messy. Stamp duty, conveyancing and new loans. Selling and starting over is one option – but there are others.
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INCOME TAX ASSESSMENT ACT 1997 – SECT 118.145
Absences
(1) If a * dwelling that was your main residence ceases to be your main residence, you may choose to continue to treat it as your main residence.
(2) If you use the part of the * dwelling that was your main residence for the * purpose of producing assessable income, the maximum period that you can treat it as your main residence under this section while you use it for that purpose is 6 years. You are entitled to another maximum period of 6 years each time the dwelling again becomes and ceases to be your main residence.
(3) If you do not use the * dwelling for that purpose, you can treat it as your main residence under this section indefinitely.
(3A) This section does not apply if the * dwelling was your main residence because of section 118-147 and ceases to be your main residence because of subsections 118-147(3) and (4).
(4) If you make the choice, you cannot treat any other * dwelling as your main residence while you apply this section, except if section 118-140 (about changing main residences) applies.
Example: You live in a house for 3 years. You are posted overseas for 5 years and you rent it out during your absence. On your return you move back into it for 2 years. You are then posted overseas again for 4 years (again renting it out), at the end of which you sell the house.
You have not treated any other dwelling as your main residence during your absences.
You may choose to continue to treat the house as your main residence during both absences because each absence is less than 6 years.
You can make this choice when preparing your income tax return for the income year in which you sold the house.
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Thanks Grum – Most people completely forget about GST
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ryan mclean wrote:Terryw wrote:you can only count one residence as your main residence at any one time.A question for you Terry:
What happens if the husband is living in Brisbane but the wife is living in Sydney. Assuming both properties were jointly owned (in both their names) would they be able to claim PPOR for both properties (as technically it is their PPOR and not being rented out) or could they only claim it for one property?
Only 1 would be exempt from CGT per couple.
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1. Anything not otherwise claimed – light bulbs and mower fuel etc.
2. moving in and establishing it as the main residence again. Look at the legislation s118-145 ITAA 1997. It has an example in the act.
3. cost base is reset to the time it became income producing.
Note.you can only count one residence as your main residence at any one time.
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wilko1 wrote:Thanks for that terry.You have proberly answered this in another post. But what formal qualifications have you done to gather the taxation, estate planning and other legal/property related advice over the course of your career.
Many courses I am afraid – Bachelor of law, Grad Dip legal practice, Master of law, dip financial planning, etc
And hundreds of short courses.
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wilko1 wrote:I thought the was limits to how much you can gift a spouse or a relative etcmy other comment was the thought of setting up a testamentary trust for the grandson/son.
There are no restrictions on who or what or how much you can gift to anyone. However there are a variety of consequences.
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