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    TheNewGuy wrote:
    I just renewed all of my insurances. I have Income Protection for 3 months to death, at 80% of my salary. 3 months to 24 months is in my super, and 24 months+ is via Macquarie Insurance.

    For permanent injury / death, I have $750k lump sum, and a pension paid to my wife ~ $15k p.a + CPI for the rest of her life.

    I have ~ $800k in loans, including one IP and our PPOR. So this should leave her in a relatively 'ok' state, by providing  no mortgage and a yearly income (including rent) of about $35k. I don't want to be worth more dead than alive!

    I am sure her new husband will appreciate this!

    Instead of paying your wife directly you could pay your estate and then divert it into a testamentary trust with certain controls to lessen the chance of any new spouse taking 'your' assets instead of them going to your children.

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    mattliasiian wrote:
    Hey guys I am 20 yrs old and looking to buy my first property in early 2014, my max price $300,000 with a  20% deposit. My question I wanted to ask was, should I see a mortgage broker or just borrow directly from the lender ? Whats some trips and traps to look out for ? how do I find the best price ? or the best broker ? any real estate traps from the agents? If there is any step by step advice please feel free to add in because I assume the majority on this forum have already existing propertys and are well experienced. Thank You for taking your time to read my question and Happy 2014 best of luck to all your properties in the New Year

    Never go directly in my opinion. You need advice on structuring the loan and there are a few tax strategies you could employ with that deposit money too – have your cake and eat it type.

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    neilharrison_253 wrote:
    Hi Terry

    Sadly face to face would be somewhat difficult. I am currently based on the Sunshine Coast. Do you have anyone local that you could suggest. Am also looking for someone to deal with long term as i get more involved in SMSF / Property Purchasing / Trusts ect

    Regards

    You could try RPI from this forum. He is also a solicitor.

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    neilharrison_253 wrote:
    Hi Terry

    Thanks for the response. I do indeed have children. I would want all to go to my wife or visa versa however if something were to happen to either of us split 50/50 between my two kids. Is this something that can be done over the phone with yourself ?

    Regards

    Possibly. Ideally a face to face meeting would be good!

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    Hi

    It all depends… If you wanted to leave the property to a specific person then it may be better to wait. If you want to leave everything to your wife and vice versa then it may not be essential. Generally under the intestacy rules a spouse would get everything – this varies from state to state and depends on whether you have children from a different relationship etc.

    But consider also what happens if you were both in an accident and died together.

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    minds-eye wrote:
    Terryw wrote:
    Short answer = nope.

    If you are sued you could lose all your assets.

    But to reduce the chances of you getting sued, you could set up the business in a limited liability company.

    There may be a few things you could do to further encumber your property so that you have little equity. Would need careful planning and would be costly to set up, so you need to weigh up the costs v risks.

    Hi Terry, Once again thanks for your input.

    If I setup the business and I am one of the directors, am I not still liable in the case that we are sued?

    From the ATO website: A company provides some asset protection but directors can be legally liable for their actions and, in some cases, the debts of a company.

    Hi M

    It is a well established legal principle that a company is a separate legal person different to its directors and shareholders. But because this has been open to abuse there are many laws in place which can make a director liable. But as long as you or the company are not doing anything illegal you should be right. One risky area is OHS – an employee injures themselves because you as director didn't fix a problem. Another is unpaid super or company tax etc.

    Debts, you would generally not be liable for. But there are few lenders who will lend to a $2 company so what happens is they ask for a personal guarantee from the directors – and this means you are guaranteeing the company's debt so if it cannot pay you will have to or be sued and potentially lose your assets. A good reason to have one director only

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    Short answer = nope.

    If you are sued you could lose all your assets.

    But to reduce the chances of you getting sued, you could set up the business in a limited liability company.

    There may be a few things you could do to further encumber your property so that you have little equity. Would need careful planning and would be costly to set up, so you need to weigh up the costs v risks.

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    s0805 wrote:
    Qlds007 wrote:
     Anz will allow the funds to be paid back into the loan itself on drawdown without closing the account (I have done it on 2 forum clients loans which settled over Xmas).

    Richard/Jamie, that's good to hear that ANZ does allow the loans to be paid back on drawdown. Just so i

    understand it right u mean using redraw…..so drawdown the IO loan and park all the money on redraw on the

    settlement….and use it from redraw when you are ready…is that right? that means i don't need offset accounts then…

    Given if I've understand this right….question for you Richard as you've done it for some of your clients…how to

    use this redraw money to pay for for example deposit or something….the reason I am asking is i've been told by ANZ

    that they don't allow cheque to be written from redraw account….so basically i've to manually take money from

    redraw and park it somewhere (not mixing with non deductible for sure) to write cheque from…..i wonder what your clients

    did in that situation? as somewhere it this forum there was discussion about not breaking the nexus…..

    currently I've three loans (secured against IP, secured against PPOR & equity borrowed from PPOR) all of them

    are seperate IO loans….now that I am planning dip into equity of PPOR again…just wondering can I top up the

    existing IO loan or additional equity needs to be setup as seperate loan….atleast this way i avoid having multiple loan accounts…

    will ANZ allow that….??

    I have previously attempted to get ANZ to pay a draw down back into the loan and was refused. I went higher up the line as far as a could but no luck.

    Also, once you get the money into the loan then how do you use it.

    I would advise using a LOC if possible.

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    junkyster wrote:

    Terryw wrote:
    One is for you to buy your wife's apartment at full market value. Use the proceeds to pay off your townhouse. Charge the tenants market rent – even if you may have to gift them the money to pay. This way you get rid of non deductible debt, avoid stamp duty, save a heap of tax and are in a good position to invest.

    This is an interesting one for me to think over. Instead of buying over, I could 'transfer' the property to my name and do the above as well? I believe there is no stamp duty when transferring between spouse? More research for the weekend!

    vagirl2012 wrote:
    Welcome and good luck in your investing adventure!

    Thanks smiley

    No, you couldn't. Well, a transfer is a sale. And there is no stamp duty in vIc on spousal transfers whether there is a gift or a sale. You could only claim the interest as a deduction if you were borrowing money to buy. If your wife is gifting to you then there is no reason to bororw, and if you did the interest wouldn't be deductible.

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    junkyster wrote:
    Hey guys,

    Just spoke to the bank today, they are currently processing the CBD apartment loan. Once approved, I am hoping to pay off the townhouse first.

    From here, I could mortgage back the townhouse on an IO loan to start looking for another investment property.

    Is this feasible?

    Thanks,

    JunK

    Above you seemed to say that there was no loan on the CBD apartment. Are you now saying you are going to mortgage the apartment, borrow money and pay out the townhouse? If so you would be shuffling money around with no benefit.

    I can think of a few strategies which could significantly save you some tax.

    One is for you to buy your wife's apartment at full market value. Use the proceeds to pay off your townhouse. Charge the tenants market rent – even if you may have to gift them the money to pay. This way you get rid of non deductible debt, avoid stamp duty, save a heap of tax and are in a good position to invest.

    Of course there are various steps involved and you should seek legal advice before implementing this.

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    s0805 wrote:
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    Not sure about your other comment Terry, that this sort of issues are only faced in early days of investiing…….i think if you are going to avoid cross collateralising then separate facilities has to be setup to fund the next purchase….until one of your property has enough equity so you don't have to dip in to the other one…..is that what you meant….

    No, it is possible to do all without crossing at any stage. But in the early days cash is tight and equity is tighter, so clients often try to access equity and take out little bits at a time. After a while growth kicks in and you might take one property up to 80% and by the time you use that LOC then the next property has increased to 80% and so on. So after you increase each LOC you then go back to the first one and repeat. – theory anyway. Usually your income won't growth fast enough to keep things usustanable.

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    You could have one big LOC but, this would mean it is secured by each property which is cross collateralising.

    These sorts of issues arise in the early days when the investors are trying to get access to equity quickly, but after a while things will slow down as more property is purchased and harvesting equity slows down a bit.

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    s0805 wrote:
    Terry, I want to avoid LOC if possible, i understand that it gives much more flexibility from the top off point of view….but it comes with higher interest rate……

    .

    It will be a small amount and not of any significance. The LOC can be rolled over into a normal IO loan once drawn too.

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    s0805 wrote:
    TheFinanceShop wrote:
    I would generally go for an standard product with a linked offset and I would do this for each loan account or do it as a redraw as some lenders like 

    Shahin,  valuation is on to do list……but i m sure that I'll have to go up to 90% this time……standard product with offset is my preferred method as well…..similar to what I've done for IP1. I'm with ANZ and they will charge me extra for additional offset outside of my package fees….

    My concern is that if I setup separate loan for each equity release on my investment journey then i will be end up having plenty of loan accounts and ofcourse multiple offset accounts……note that i've already released equity for my first IP in Loan 1 account from PPOR…..can I top that off rather than creating Loan 2 for the equity release from PPOR this time…..atleast in this case each property will have its own equity release loan account….which i can top up throughout my journey…..thoughts???

    ANZ will not deposit the borrowed amount back into the loan so you need a separate account.

    I would still suggest a LOC loan and don't worry about having too many, these could be consolidated when more equity develops in the future.

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    s0805 wrote:
    Terryw wrote:
    LMI wouldn't be deductible in full because part of it would relate to the existing properties. Probably base it on a % of the total amount borrowed.

    Terry, I am borrowing upto 90% off existing properties (1 PPOR & 1 IP) to fund my second IP….which is for investment purposes. In that case shouldn't LMI on both PPOR and IP1 be tax deductible? or in ATO's eyes PPOR LMI will not be tax deductible as it is PPOR but IP 1 would be? How do ATO sees this arrangement?

    thanks

    Possibly, best to check with your accountant

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    god_of_money wrote:
    Hi Terry

    Can you elaborate more about

    "they can earn over $20k pa and not pay tax for income received from a testamentary trust"

    I thought children < 18 can only earn up to A$416 without paying tax.

    s102AG ITAA36

    income from a will or a trust set up on death is excepted trust income and taxed at adult rates. Can also apply for a child maintenance trust and income from insurance proceeds.

    If you are divorced and pay to pay $20,000 in child support, you may have to earn $40k pa to pay this, but if you set up a child maintenance trust the trust could pay the children $20,000 and no tax payable. Many restrictive rules however.

    Dying makes things easier as you could leave your extensive property portfolio to a discretionary trust set up in your will and the income to go to minor children – also reduces chance your spouses new partner getting at your money.

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    LMI wouldn't be deductible in full because part of it would relate to the existing properties. Probably base it on a % of the total amount borrowed.

    I would suggest you get a LOC on each property – ideally. If small amounts this may not be practical.

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    manolo76 wrote:
    Hi Terry. Thanks. I will dig a little bit more in depth after your comments.

    In regard to the land tax… we are in NSW.

    By the way what is the current situation with non working children as beneficiaries of a trust

    Hi M,

    It doesn't really matter where you are, but where the property is located!

    Children can earn $416 pa without having to pay tax – from inter vivos trusts. But make sure you have a trust in your will because they can earn over $20k pa and not pay tax for income received from a testamentary trust.

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    PTW wrote:
    Hi there

    A little about my situation first. Married, no kids, wife doesn't work, I'm 46yo, we own our own home, car and some shares = +$1m. I earn >$200K.

    I've just bought off the plan my first IP within 2k of the cbd for about 500k due completion early 2015. This should rent for 550-600/week.

    Doing the math I could pay this out in 5 years, then give it to the wife so she can get the rent, hoping she can claim the stamp duty transfer as a deduction as well.  Or I could string this out to ten years payout, save the extra I would have been paying it off at and invest in shares or something, then buy the wife one outright at the 5 year mark. Or I could buy another one then be committed to paying out in 10 years. Also with any of those scenarios would I be better to have my wage offset the loan or invest that separately in my wifes account for tax purposes?

    I am absolutely confused as to was is the best strategy.

    Cheers Paul

    If you gave it to your wife she would be up for stamp duty and you CGT. Why not just buy it in her name from the start? If you think you want to be saving tax, then you may find that having it in her name will result in more tax saved.

    Even better why not look at buying it in a discretionary trust. This way you don't need to worry about which name it is in as the income can flow through to whoever is on the lowest taxable income each year.

    You could refine the strategy a lot more and considering your situation you could make things work well.

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    ChristineNurse wrote:
    Terry / Richard,

    With all the experience and learning lessons you both had, have you considered writing a book or better still, coming up with a online education course thingy? We freshies (new investors) can learn from you.

    Hi Christine

    I am in the process of writing several books.

    One on tax

    one on trusts

    one on the tax aspects of interest

    one of asset protection

    one on succession

    still got a long way to go, but hope to have the tax one done in the next few months.

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