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Yes, not a good idea. As a business you are entering contracts and there are other potential liabilities so if the company is sued the house is at risk.
Also a company doesn't get the 50% CGT discount either.
Look into trusts.
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It is, but what was the company formed for?
And why would you want to buy in the company?
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I don't understand, so will use an example
$600,000house
$200,000 loan
= $400,000 equity
80% of house value is $480,000. Less $200,000 existing loan = $280,000 useable equity. You could possibly set this up as a LOC.
If you are purchasing a $600,000 commercial property this LOC would be used as the 20 or 30% deposit and then you borrow the rest secured on the new property.
$600,000 x 70% = $420,000
$280,000 from the LOC.
$600k
You will have to factor in costs too.
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Many issues.
First determine what effect this will have on their pensions.
Then if you were to buy part of the house, what about accessing equity down the track – all owners must go on loans. If it is a rental then no PPOR CGT exemption for you and what was once fully exempt becomes partlially exempt.
Stamp duty on the transfer.
Estate planning issues.
Asset protection issues – if you default parents won't have a place to live maybe.
Perhaps getting them to assist you into a property may be less messy. parental guarantee or even a loan may work out better.
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yeah, request a copy of the survey report.
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As far as I know there are no land tax exemptions In VIC for land owned by a company – even when the sole shareholders are living in the property.
If the company was acting as trustee then this is different – depending on the trust.
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Possibly. Depends on the LVR of your home.
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Thanks Richard.
Yes you could have an option to purchase part of a property. There are many ways to structure the option and strike price. could be based on an average of 3 valuations, cPI increases or some round figure. cost to prepare an option agreement would be around $2,000 to $3,000 plus disbursements and GST.
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Chris-Syd wrote:Can I use Rent from an IP to paydown PPOR Home Loan?Currently have IP Rent coming in. This is going into an IP LOC.
Can I use this instead to paydown my PPOR Loan and let the IP LOC incerease?
Is this allowable with regards to TAX?
Will the interest on the IP LOC be tax deductible even with it increasing?
This is a dangerous set up.
There is nothing wrong with using income to pay down the non deductible loan first. I wouldn't go as far as Richard to say you cannot capitalise interest – this is possible in some circumstances – one of the judgments in Hart says so, specific tax advice is needed.
But, paying rent into a home loan or offset on the homeloan while paying the monthly interest on the IP should not bring up ay problems.
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Richard – what was the record number of properties securing one loan?
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It generally couldn't be financed (under housing loan) unless it become a non removalable home. Any wiff of it being able to be removed naturally worries lenders.
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Vincent8 wrote:Hi all,Many thanks for your helpful replies – I appreciate it. I did double check this with my mortgage broker today and you are all right, he was trying to cross collateralise.
I told him I didn't want this, so he will get back to me with other products where this can be avoided. However, he did advise that I may lose out in some tax benefits and also may end up having to pay mortgage insurance if I do not cross collateralise.
Tom, that is interesting that you think I could avoid mortgage insurance here. When I get the full figures from my broker tomorrow, I'll let you guys know. Will definitely be borrowing IO for the IP.
With thanks.
Sounds like the broker is inexperienced and/or doesn't understand structuring or tax.
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Vincent8 wrote:Many thanks for your advice, Terry.I will definitely stress to my mortgage broker to avoid cross collateralisation if this is what he had planned. Will also mention the LOC you advise of and see what he has to say.
I realise I sound like a complete amateur when I post this, but I am new to this and my mortgage broker sounds like he is speaking another language.
These were his exact words, if your good self or any other posters who are familiar with this topic can translate for me in laymens' terms:
"How it would work you would keep your property at $200k and continue to pay that P&I and try and pay that down as you are doing, because there are no taxable benefits involved with your principle place of residence.
Then you would borrow the full amount plus stamp and settlement costs as they are tax deductions on your investment property.
If you bought for $300,000 for example you would borrow $315,000ish. The loans would be $200,000 plus $315,000 : Total Approx. $515,000. Values Approx. : $815,000 Loan to value ratio of approximately 63%, so well out of mortgage insurance territory."
Does this sound like he was trying to set up finance so it would cross-collateralise, or perhaps it isn't clear from his wording?
Many thanks
Sounds like a cross collateralising to me.
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Yes it is normal these days. But I don't charge anything at the moment. I have been meaning to implement something to stop the time wasters but haven't got around to it – not that I get many.
You need to look at the foreign investment rules if your Singaporean friend is a non permanent resident. Depends on her/his visa.
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Beware – sounds like he is going to cross collateralise your properties. THis is dangerous and unnecessary.
Basically there are 2 ways to do this
Values
$500,000 PPOR
$300,000 IP
$800,000
Loans
$200,000 PPOR
$300,000 IP
$500,000
LVR = 500/800 = 62%
The security for the IP will be the IP and also the PPOR = No No
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A better way
Loans
$200,000 for the PPOR secured by the PPOR
$200,000 LOC secured by the PPOR. This will be used for the investment
$240,000 loan secured by the IP
The remaining $60,000 and stamp duty etc for the IP will come from the LOC secured on the PPOR. Interest should be deductible if set up correctly and this will allow you to borrow 105% of the investment property value and have all loans stand alone with no cross collateralising of security.
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Don't put it in the loan as that will create tax problems. Deposit = repayment and withdrawal = new loan, so you could ruin deductibily of the interest once you withdraw the money.
A look at 100% offset accounts would be the way to go
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Whats a dummy company? A company is a separate legal person so you could rent to a company which you controlled. But what are you trying to achieve here? Income from the work the company performs will be taxed. For the company to claim the interest on any loan used to buy the premises market interest would need to be charged. The rate would be paid by you and taxed in the company.
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You can't do it without stamp duty, usually. You enter into a contract to purhcase and then quickly sell the same property. At settlement you organise it to all happen simultatenously. It will be a crowded table with cheques being handed around but at the end of it you should have a cheque left in your hands but no property or loan. However if the end purchaser doesn't settle you are in deep trouble.
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Nue1 wrote:Hi all,First of all, thanks for all the inputs.
The reason why I want to start now and don't want to (well I can at the same time) reduce my debt is, I plan to buy my first IP, then after considerable amount of time of holding (1-2 years), I can benefit from capital gain (not negative gearing, aiming at positive gearing or neutral), then sell the property off for capital gain to reduce my debt, or keep holding the property, release the equity out and buy another property, rather than keep savings and savings and pay the debt off. Well of course, that is depends on the location whether or not is it a good capital growth area. Due Diligence.
And yes, there are upside and downside to this strategy of mine, I can just put all these savings I have at the moment and close all the bad debts, but my thought is why don't I benefit from property and invest first? I can continue to save money after I buy the property at the same time.
I might have to speak to mortgage broker out about whether my debts will bring down the borrowing power or not. If not then I will go for joint names, if yes it will affect the borrowing power I will get my friend to be the sole owner with agreement contract behind that.
Question is how much will it cost my friend and I to obtain this agreement contract and from who? Solicitor? Lawyer?
Thanks guys.
Regards,
Nue1
A solicitor is a lawyer and only a lawyer can prepare deeds and agrements. Could be $1200 to $2000 or so for such an agreement.
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jer29e wrote:Hi
I would appreciate it if you could advise me on my situation. I have some equity in my PPOR and the property is in my name. I am about to start a rather high risk business and do not want to risk losing the equity if I get sued.
Are there any way to protect my equity?
i heard that there is an equity bank trust (EBT) in which I can give the equity of my property to the trust eg $200k and the trust will give me a secured loan for $200K. that way should I get sued the creditors will be below the first mortgage and the equity bank trust. I understand that i will be the director of the EBT trustee. Can the loan documents from a related entity( EBT) stand in court and protect my assets? the loan is not registered on the title of the property.
Thanks very much for your help.
There are a few promoters out there promoting this sort of thing – but none of them lawyers from what I can see.
How do you gift equity is what I would like to know. You can let a trustee take a second mortgage over your property, but a mortgage is only security for something – usually for borrowing money. So if you lend money to a trust that money is always your money and still available for creditors. If the arrangement is non commercial then the bankruptcy act has provisions which can unwind any such transaction.
There may be other ways to structure which are cheaper and more effective about 5 years after they are set up
I think your $20k may be better spent. Sell your property and spend the proceeds – if you are really worried. Then start again afresh structuring well from the get go.
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