The first thing I’d say is that your life insurance may be more tax effective if you organise it through your superannuation fund due to some tax perks.
As for life insurance generally, you need to have a look at the risk that you want to insure against. For most people, life insurance is about insuring against lost income in the event of death.
Additionally, there is also coverage needed to pay out debts should your capacity to earn become impaired.
If you only need the latter then you may get away with a mortgage protection policy, which I assume would be deductible if the property was bought for investment purposes.
You raise a great point though, and it is a matter that is overlooked by the majority of investors.
I’d be interested to read the thought process behind your final decision.
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Legally you are somewhat in no mans territory as you will need a tribunal order to evict the tenants and in the meantime you rely on their good grace to move on.
Indeed, as the lease is technically still continuing, you have no grounds to knock on the door etc. and if you do so then you risk a fine.
Still, what I’d do is to provide the necessary 24 hours notice to inspect the property, and when you do, speak with the tenants direct and offer them cash to move out asap.
As for recovering damages etc. your best angle is through the r/e agency who left you dangling. They shouldn’t have refunded the bond in the first place, so if you want to take it further, go to the r/e agent’s body in SA.
I have a gut feeling though that in this case the outcome will be that this whole experience will be a lesson about the importance of due diligence.
Sorry I don’t have better news. Let me know how you get on.
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Great to hear from you and to learn of your investing plans. What course are you studying?
1. Should I buy a PPoR, move into it with my partner and pay the thing down as quickly as possible (using FHOG), worrying about IP’s in a few years?
Well, the first thing I’d say is to avoid confusing buying a home with making an investing decision. Buying a PPoR is a lifestyle choice and is not the same as buying an investment property under commercial circumstances as the emotion is a lot higher.
FYI, what I did was to rent first to save the money to get into property with the goal of building an income for life (delaying gratification) before buying a home. You don’t have to do it this way, but it is very likely that owning a property will be much more expensive than renting and will thus impact on your ability to save.
2. Buy a PPoR and live in it for 6 months to claim FHOG, then move back home and rent out?
Hmmm – not a great idea because the stamp duty will be much more than the FHOG. It will probably also be -ve cashflow, so this may place a person in your circumstance under substantial financial pressure.
3. Buy an IP without the FHOG and rent it out immediately, staying at home until I can’t take it any more?
Well, you won’t qualify for the FHOG if the property is an IP (unless you live there first). This might be an option provided the reward from investing is more than the pain of staying at home.
Here’s another option… why not rent elsewhere with a few mates, share the burden and continue saving and then using the funds to buy a property?
Go hard and fast for a few years, and then buy a home using your profits at a later date?
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You make a good and accurate observation in that once a property exceeds a certain price (relative to its yield) then it will become negative cashflow due to the interest cost (on the basis of an 80% loan).
Sure, you could leave a higher deposit (thus lower interest), but that would drop your return.
So, what can we do?
Well, I don’t buy property for growth so I probably wouldn’t buy in the areas where you are looking under a B&H strategy.
However, I may decide to adopt a wrap, lease-option or reno technique (provided the circumstances were right).
Perhaps you could also look at commercial?
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Henry Kaye offered a service to a market of hungry buyers who didn’t necessarily stop to wonder how the system worked or it’s key assumptions (i.e. continued capital growth).
In my opinion it was a big game of musical chairs in that it kept going round and round, but when the music stopped there were going to be people without a seat.
Cynically, I know people who would say that the market is pure and those that lost simply had their wealth redirected to those that won.
This seems shallow to me, but I would say that there are lessons about due diligence that every investor should learn.
I believe that the fall of HK’s NII (which has already reinvested itself through various names and a constant stream of employees) marked the end of the cycle by oviding the psychological push for people to become fearful of the potential of flat and falling property prices.
It will be interesting to see how history records th rise and fall of HK. I’m reasonably confident that it won’t be flattering.
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To be fair here – I asked Bill for his opinion which he was kind enough to provide. I believe his opinions, while perhpas different to mine, nevertheless add to the forum to create balance.
In respect to comments about Bill. Several months ago Bill had his say and now the other side has been aired as well.
I think, short of Bill having a final right of reply if he chooses, that’s enough said.
Remember that this is a forum about investing and not a spanish inquisition.
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Re: experience, if you were looking for weaknesses then the length of my time in the marketplace is certainly a point open for debate.
Moving sideways a little, two arguments that have come up recently cause me to chuckle.
The first – my success is a function of being lucky in the market. E.g. “if I had of bought when you did then I could have done it too!” In that case you have to ask – why didn’t you?
The second is – your success is because you are an accountant. Er, perhaps, but show me another accountant who has done what I’ve done and I’ll be more inclined to agree.
I may not know much, but what I do know I know well enough to profit from it.
Truth be told, you can always find a reason not to act. In relation to the seminar – it might be too expensive, or it might be too far away, or who knows how many other reasons.
But spend a moment thinking about reasons why you might come and how you might benefit from the information and the experience.
Now, did someone mention chocolate cake? I might go and find me a piece []
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Anyway, Channel 7 haven’t done any follow up stories yet and I don’t know if they will…???…
Truth be told, the MAP people didn’t want the publicity because being on TV made the going tougher when doing deals.
As for numbers, 20 or so started and now there are 13 left. The ones that have departed simply recognised the opportunity is not for them given changes in life circumstance and the fact that I required a blood sacrifice of their first born child.
As for progress… everyone is achieving at different paces. Still, the latest gossip is we have our first person to control $1m worth of +ve cashflow property acquired since the start of the MAP – and no, it’s not property I’ve offloaded to them.
Seven months in it’s still going well, not without hic cups, but I’m damn proud of the challenges people have faced and overcome.
For the cynics… take some chill pills and wait for the messenger, good things come to those that wait.
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For me it is a struggle to mention what I do becuase it places me in a context that a lot of people don’t understand.
Sadly, friends have come and gone along the way and will no doubt continue to do so. Having said that, other friends have been there well before it started, so there is something even more special.
In many ways the friends that pass on are as a result of us losing that ‘something in common’, kind of like when high school ends and people move on.
It’s nothing personal, just a change in interests – like when you have kids and some of your friends remain single… you just gravitate to those friends you have that understand the kidilink issues.
As for the posts here about half truths etc. Nonsense. It displays a lack of understanding by not living in the situation. I tell people I meet I’m an accountant – I need to do this to provide a context that people can understand.
It’s not about money… it’s about the way life is.
Cheers,
Steve McKnight
P.S. What is ‘bsdn’?
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Westan – great to see you back on the forums and I hope the move went OK. Where are you based – North or South Island?
Dave and I sold a significant chunk of our property portfolio last year – the deals that only serious investors would buy such as blocks of units. We did this because:
1. The price we got was nothing short of insane given the yields.
2. We thought the market of possible buyers would dry up quickly if rates increased and some of the hype went of the market.
In hindsight, we could probably have held on a bit longer and maybe eeked out a further $10,000 – but I was happy to be out of the market.
We are sitting atop a small pile of cash at the moment, pausing for breath to see what the market does and looking for the next opportunity. Yesterday we looked at buying a Video Ezy, we’ve also been looking into sale and leaseback of car washes, and we have an eye out for self storage places too (although these seem to be a bit pricy).
We still own about 130 or so properties though – mainly single family buy and hold houses and wrapped properties.
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Not suggesting that you sent it at all… just clarifying that I seriously doubt that the source was from us.
Although, with the number of e-mails we get a day, approx 30 or 40 of them are advice from our virus protection software that so-and-so sent a virus and it has been removed.
Bill it is likely that you have my e-mail address stored in one of your e-mail boxes, in a contact list or something similar.
Or alternatively, someone who has your e-mail address also has my e-mail address and the virus added the two together and tried to replicate itself via e-mail that way.
We are very anal in our office about being vigilent with viruses, so rest assured, it did not come to you via an infection at our end.
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Perhaps it’s also that, for those of us who believe in democracy, some have given up in putting their opinion. They’ve become disenfranchised, if you will.
I only clamp down when people can’t express an opinion in a civil way. Just as you have your say re people ‘helping’, the same is true of people being critical.
Let’s just lump it all in ‘opinionated’ so people who want to get involved on that side of the discussion can.
I think it’s quiet down here because people became sick of the bickering and moved on to more constructive discussion points in other forums.
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Personally, with things as they are at the moment, I don’t think there’s too much risk of interest rates moving beyond 7.5% in the next few years.
I think the article assumes that investors keep gearing levels high (maybe on an I/O basis) – my advice is that if you have a plan for getting into debt, you also need a plan to get out of debt. Nearly all our loans are P&I.
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