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Hi,
Personally, I’ll be supporting Unicef and their endeavour to help those children disadvantaged by this terrible disaster.
There are many worthy causes, hwoever, Unicef only take 7% of the donation for admin. This is a more than reasonable amount.
Not wanting to sound heartless, but I’m a little cautious of the Australian Red Cross after the Bali problem with funds going, well, astray from the intended donantion purpose. Hopefully they have learned.
On a different note – it’s good to be an Australian when you see the effort contributed to help a mate.
Also, welcome back Richmond… hope you had a peaceful time away.
Cheers,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
I had lunch today with some people who have been to a one or two of my seminars now and who I have said would informally mentor them (they’ve demonstrated their commitment…).
As lunch finished I said to them that I would hold them accountable to what they said they wanted to achieve.
I suggest that meeting up with other like-minded people is a good way to:
1. Announce your goals
2. Be held accountable to them
3. Be supported during the tough timesAs for frequency of meetings etc. – I’d say whatever was needed to get the result you desire.
As for a format – at the beginning of each MAP the Mappers had to announce to the group:
*This is what I have done…
*This is what I am doing…
*This is what I will do…Regards,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
I’m sure there are a lot of ideas, but, at the risk of being a nay-sayer, who’s going to fund the $100,000+ needed to set up and staff this enterprise?
Sadly, problems will persist because it will be the minority (as it is now) who, not being interested in membership, would continue to give the industry a bad name with some questionable investing.
There is a solution out there… somewhere… perhaps the government could pass a law that requires people who do more than XX vendor finance deals per annum to be members, and to be a member you must adhere to the code of conduct etc.
Having said that… the UCCC exists to protect the rights of the borrower, so VF deals that comply are already perhaps appropriately regulated.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Michael may be many things to many people, but from my experience he is as far away from the evil face of wrapping as was the article in the SMH was accurate.
As for the VFA, in its current form it does seem to have run its course. I have remained at a distance, indeed passed over the presidency, due to a possible perceived lack of independence given that I sell a wrap product.
I did not have a lot to do with Michael in his time as president, but, based on previous encounters over the past five years, I suspect he discharged his obligations with distinction.
From where I stand, the slander on his name, given it was based on falsehoods, was most improper. Nothing short of a public apology is deserved, however, suspecting who is behind these dubious dealings, I won’t be holding my breath.
I live in hope that the unrighteous will, at the appointed time, be properly judged.
Regards,
Steve McKnight
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Julia,
The words are based on a template, and as such, should you feel so strongly as to want to remove them for fear of then being incorrectly perceived as an endorsement, then that would be the best course of action.
I will also make it a point in the near furture to change the terms and conditions of the site to indicate that the ‘green dashed underlining’ of words is not an endorsement but merely a form of indirect advertising. I will also add the word ‘advertisment’ to the top line of mouse over box so there is no misunderstanding.
I hope this is satisfactory.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Point taken… the idea is to balance advertising to recoup the cost of running the site with a non-invasive way of linking to products.
I’ll play around with the options in the new year and see if I can strike a more happy medium.
As for being unethical… the posts are not being edited, just certain words highlighted.
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Steve McKnight
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Judanne,
The newsletter talks about no and low down deals.
You can change the numbers so that there is no deposit needed if that is what is negotiated with the vendor.
Having said that, Part Two (next month) outlines more about using external (ex-deal) OPM to bridge the gap.
Cheers,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
As promised, here is how the wrap figures are ‘crunched’:
Based on:
Purchase Price: $100,000
Deposit: $10,000
Vendor Finance: $90,000
Interest Rate: 9% per annum, or 0.001730769 per week
Term: 1300 weeks (25 years)
Payment at end of period
(solve for) PMT = $193.51Loan Schedule:
These numbers are from a simple spreadsheet that solves for PMT (finance function) and then plugs that figure back into a loan amortisation schedule.
#, Payment, Principal, Interest, Balance
0 0 0 0 $90,000.00
1 -$193.51 $155.77 -$37.74 $89,962.26
2 -$193.51 $155.70 -$37.81 $89,924.45
3 -$193.51 $155.64 -$37.87 $89,886.57
4 -$193.51 $155.57 -$37.94 $89,848.63
5 -$193.51 $155.51 -$38.01 $89,810.63
6 -$193.51 $155.44 -$38.07 $89,772.56
7 -$193.51 $155.38 -$38.14 $89,734.42
8 -$193.51 $155.31 -$38.20 $89,696.22
9 -$193.51 $155.24 -$38.27 $89,657.95
10 -$193.51 $155.18 -$38.34 $89,619.61
11 -$193.51 $155.11 -$38.40 $89,581.21
12 -$193.51 $155.04 -$38.47 $89,542.74
13 -$193.51 $154.98 -$38.53 $89,504.21
14 -$193.51 $154.91 -$38.60 $89,465.61
15 -$193.51 $154.84 -$38.67 $89,426.94
16 -$193.51 $154.78 -$38.74 $89,388.20
17 -$193.51 $154.71 -$38.80 $89,349.40
18 -$193.51 $154.64 -$38.87 $89,310.53
19 -$193.51 $154.58 -$38.94 $89,271.59
20 -$193.51 $154.51 -$39.00 $89,232.59
21 -$193.51 $154.44 -$39.07 $89,193.52
22 -$193.51 $154.37 -$39.14 $89,154.38
23 -$193.51 $154.31 -$39.21 $89,115.17
24 -$193.51 $154.24 -$39.27 $89,075.90
25 -$193.51 $154.17 -$39.34 $89,036.55
26 -$193.51 $154.10 -$39.41 $88,997.14
27 -$193.51 $154.03 -$39.48 $88,957.66
28 -$193.51 $153.97 -$39.55 $88,918.11
29 -$193.51 $153.90 -$39.62 $88,878.50
30 -$193.51 $153.83 -$39.68 $88,838.81
31 -$193.51 $153.76 -$39.75 $88,799.06
32 -$193.51 $153.69 -$39.82 $88,759.24
33 -$193.51 $153.62 -$39.89 $88,719.35
34 -$193.51 $153.55 -$39.96 $88,679.39
35 -$193.51 $153.48 -$40.03 $88,639.36
36 -$193.51 $153.41 -$40.10 $88,599.26
37 -$193.51 $153.34 -$40.17 $88,559.09
38 -$193.51 $153.28 -$40.24 $88,518.86
39 -$193.51 $153.21 -$40.31 $88,478.55
40 -$193.51 $153.14 -$40.38 $88,438.17
41 -$193.51 $153.07 -$40.45 $88,397.72
42 -$193.51 $153.00 -$40.52 $88,357.21
43 -$193.51 $152.93 -$40.59 $88,316.62
44 -$193.51 $152.86 -$40.66 $88,275.96
45 -$193.51 $152.79 -$40.73 $88,235.24
46 -$193.51 $152.71 -$40.80 $88,194.44
47 -$193.51 $152.64 -$40.87 $88,153.57
48 -$193.51 $152.57 -$40.94 $88,112.63
49 -$193.51 $152.50 -$41.01 $88,071.62
50 -$193.51 $152.43 -$41.08 $88,030.54
51 -$193.51 $152.36 -$41.15 $87,989.39
52 -$193.51 $152.29 -$41.22 $87,948.16
53 -$193.51 $152.22 -$41.29 $87,906.87
54 -$193.51 $152.15 -$41.37 $87,865.50
55 -$193.51 $152.07 -$41.44 $87,824.07
56 -$193.51 $152.00 -$41.51 $87,782.56
57 -$193.51 $151.93 -$41.58 $87,740.98
58 -$193.51 $151.86 -$41.65 $87,699.32
59 -$193.51 $151.79 -$41.73 $87,657.60
60 -$193.51 $151.72 -$41.80 $87,615.80
61 -$193.51 $151.64 -$41.87 $87,573.93
62 -$193.51 $151.57 -$41.94 $87,531.99
63 -$193.51 $151.50 -$42.02 $87,489.97
64 -$193.51 $151.42 -$42.09 $87,447.88
65 -$193.51 $151.35 -$42.16 $87,405.72
66 -$193.51 $151.28 -$42.23 $87,363.49
67 -$193.51 $151.21 -$42.31 $87,321.18
68 -$193.51 $151.13 -$42.38 $87,278.80
69 -$193.51 $151.06 -$42.45 $87,236.35
70 -$193.51 $150.99 -$42.53 $87,193.82
71 -$193.51 $150.91 -$42.60 $87,151.22
72 -$193.51 $150.84 -$42.67 $87,108.55
73 -$193.51 $150.76 -$42.75 $87,065.80
74 -$193.51 $150.69 -$42.82 $87,022.98
75 -$193.51 $150.62 -$42.90 $86,980.08
76 -$193.51 $150.54 -$42.97 $86,937.11
77 -$193.51 $150.47 -$43.04 $86,894.07
78 -$193.51 $150.39 -$43.12 $86,850.95
79 -$193.51 $150.32 -$43.19 $86,807.75
80 -$193.51 $150.24 -$43.27 $86,764.49
81 -$193.51 $150.17 -$43.34 $86,721.14
82 -$193.51 $150.09 -$43.42 $86,677.72
83 -$193.51 $150.02 -$43.49 $86,634.23
84 -$193.51 $149.94 -$43.57 $86,590.66
85 -$193.51 $149.87 -$43.64 $86,547.02
86 -$193.51 $149.79 -$43.72 $86,503.30
87 -$193.51 $149.72 -$43.80 $86,459.50
88 -$193.51 $149.64 -$43.87 $86,415.63
89 -$193.51 $149.57 -$43.95 $86,371.68
90 -$193.51 $149.49 -$44.02 $86,327.66
91 -$193.51 $149.41 -$44.10 $86,283.56
92 -$193.51 $149.34 -$44.18 $86,239.39
93 -$193.51 $149.26 -$44.25 $86,195.13
94 -$193.51 $149.18 -$44.33 $86,150.80
95 -$193.51 $149.11 -$44.41 $86,106.40
96 -$193.51 $149.03 -$44.48 $86,061.92
97 -$193.51 $148.95 -$44.56 $86,017.36
98 -$193.51 $148.88 -$44.64 $85,972.72
99 -$193.51 $148.80 -$44.71 $85,928.01
100 -$193.51 $148.72 -$44.79 $85,883.22
101 -$193.51 $148.64 -$44.87 $85,838.35
102 -$193.51 $148.57 -$44.95 $85,793.40
103 -$193.51 $148.49 -$45.02 $85,748.38
104 -$193.51 $148.41 -$45.10 $85,703.27
105 -$193.51 $148.33 -$45.18 $85,658.09
106 -$193.51 $148.25 -$45.26 $85,612.84
107 -$193.51 $148.18 -$45.34 $85,567.50
108 -$193.51 $148.10 -$45.42 $85,522.08
109 -$193.51 $148.02 -$45.49 $85,476.59
110 -$193.51 $147.94 -$45.57 $85,431.02
111 -$193.51 $147.86 -$45.65 $85,385.37
112 -$193.51 $147.78 -$45.73 $85,339.64
113 -$193.51 $147.70 -$45.81 $85,293.83
114 -$193.51 $147.62 -$45.89 $85,247.94
115 -$193.51 $147.54 -$45.97 $85,201.97
116 -$193.51 $147.46 -$46.05 $85,155.92
117 -$193.51 $147.39 -$46.13 $85,109.79
118 -$193.51 $147.31 -$46.21 $85,063.59
119 -$193.51 $147.23 -$46.29 $85,017.30
120 -$193.51 $147.15 -$46.37 $84,970.93
121 -$193.51 $147.07 -$46.45 $84,924.48
122 -$193.51 $146.98 -$46.53 $84,877.96
123 -$193.51 $146.90 -$46.61 $84,831.35
124 -$193.51 $146.82 -$46.69 $84,784.66
125 -$193.51 $146.74 -$46.77 $84,737.89
126 -$193.51 $146.66 -$46.85 $84,691.04
127 -$193.51 $146.58 -$46.93 $84,644.11
128 -$193.51 $146.50 -$47.01 $84,597.09
129 -$193.51 $146.42 -$47.09 $84,550.00
130 -$193.51 $146.34 -$47.18 $84,502.82
131 -$193.51 $146.25 -$47.26 $84,455.56
132 -$193.51 $146.17 -$47.34 $84,408.22
133 -$193.51 $146.09 -$47.42 $84,360.80
134 -$193.51 $146.01 -$47.50 $84,313.30
135 -$193.51 $145.93 -$47.59 $84,265.71
136 -$193.51 $145.84 -$47.67 $84,218.04
137 -$193.51 $145.76 -$47.75 $84,170.29
138 -$193.51 $145.68 -$47.83 $84,122.46
139 -$193.51 $145.60 -$47.92 $84,074.54
140 -$193.51 $145.51 -$48.00 $84,026.55
141 -$193.51 $145.43 -$48.08 $83,978.46
142 -$193.51 $145.35 -$48.17 $83,930.30
143 -$193.51 $145.26 -$48.25 $83,882.05
144 -$193.51 $145.18 -$48.33 $83,833.72
145 -$193.51 $145.10 -$48.42 $83,785.30
146 -$193.51 $145.01 -$48.50 $83,736.80
147 -$193.51 $144.93 -$48.58 $83,688.22
148 -$193.51 $144.84 -$48.67 $83,639.55
149 -$193.51 $144.76 -$48.75 $83,590.80
150 -$193.51 $144.68 -$48.84 $83,541.96
151 -$193.51 $144.59 -$48.92 $83,493.04
152 -$193.51 $144.51 -$49.01 $83,444.03
153 -$193.51 $144.42 -$49.09 $83,394.94
154 -$193.51 $144.34 -$49.18 $83,345.77
155 -$193.51 $144.25 -$49.26 $83,296.51
156 -$193.51 $144.17 -$49.35 $83,247.16Payout at the end of year three = $83,247.16
The Lease-Option figure is calculated from a third-party spreadsheet, I am not sure how the figures are calculated.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Thanks for your replies.
I agree that a chat room would be a good addition, and is certainly on the cards.
Also on the drawing board is a new design for the site, including additional content and other resources.
Of course, this will take some time – perhaps a few months – but be patient as it will happen.
Also, please keep the suggestions coming in.
Regards,
Steve McKnight
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Rob,
You raise some interesting points, some of which I had also considered… especially the part about refinancing the wrap loan.
Should the wrapper have provided those extra funds, I would suggest that they have left themselves open for abuse. However, being aware of the people behind the deal, I doubt this is the case.
The story as presented on the website is quite vague, short on facts and very opinionated. I would like to know how much of the $135k needed to refinance related to the wrap loan payout, and how much related to the other capitalised debts.
As for the author of the article (who is not sourced), I suggest that they urgently seek the help of Mr Jenman, since Mr Jenman has said that he aspires to conduct research that is thorough and accurate – scarce editorial commodities that are sadly lacking in the current offering.
Please advise if you receive a reply.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
thats means you need to keep telling them, if you cant pay you LOSE your home even if you have paid up 99% of it. do you understand?, are u sure u wanna do this?, really?, u get the pictureI reject the idea put forward that someone who has paid 99% of a contract and misses a payment walks away with nothing. It is factually incorrect. If this was the case any magistrate in the country would nullify the contract in a second as being grossly unfair.
What needs to be stressed is the financial undertaking being assumed when entering into the (any) contract. This is stressed in the pre-signing documentation that must conform to UCCC regulations.
It’s time people started to include some of the media commentators started to include some of the facts rather than the hyped in their stories.
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Steve McKnight
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Rob,
You don’t get around it. You have to work through the issue and disclose as needs be.
I feel there is only ambiguity in the contracts used by people who are not familar with the correct way to put a wrap deal together in a win-win way.
Cheers,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
The research behind this article seems second-rate at best, including:
1. The journalist did not contact me.
2. He spelt my name incorrectly.
3. John Burley is not my mentor. He quotes from a book where the current edition no longer includes that comment, in fact, that comment has not been publsihed for several years. Despite this, the comment is taken out of context.
4. The discount for the wrap kit has been available for some time now, not since Thursday as the article seems to indicate.
5. The finer details of how a wrap works, especially when someone is evicted from the property, are not fairly or accurately portrayed in the article.BTW, Rob… wraps must comply with UCCC too.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi CrownOfGold,
Thanks for your post.
There are a few holes in your figures, but for the sake of discussion I’ve used some assumptions to flesh out my answer (see below).
First, let’s look from a cashflow perspective:
Rent: $42,000
Interest: $26,000
Body Corp etc.: $8,000
Management: $2,940
Other Expenses (10% of rent): $4,200
Overall: $860That’s a good start.
From a capital gains perspective:
Bought: $172,500
Less FHOG: $14000
Net PP: $158,500
Sale Price: $203,000
Capital Gain: $44,500Overall (pre-tax):
Cashflow + Cap Gain: $45,360
Purchase Price: $158,500
% Gain: 28.6%
Over 3.5 years: 8.2% per annumWhether this is a good investment or not depends on your goal. If we adjust for inflation and then take away tax, it’s at least a good step in the right direction.
Cheers,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Okay… I’ve spent a few hours building a plausible yet conservative model to express the likely net cashflow that the Map group may have achieved based on:
* 80% finance at 7% (I/O for ease of calc)
* 7% of income in management fees
* 15% of income in other costs
(therefore total costs are 22% of income)The net cashflow outcome based on these assumptions is $320,632 (pre tax).
All Mappers experienced net positive cashflow across their portfolio, with the annual cash-on-cash return (based on assuming 25% down and the assumptions above), coming in at an average across the group of an attractive 20.87%.
This CoCR does not allow for any of the realised / unrealised capital gains earned.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
I think Duritz has copped enough… he asked a simple question and some replies come across (I presume unintentionally) as semi-hostile.
In respect to Caravan parks… I don’t have any experience in that niche, but I’d be interested to know more from someone who does. Let’s do it under a new thread though please.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi Niki,
Thanks for your post!
Congrats on your success to date… 7 properties is a great effort, and hopefully you are now sitting on a large chunk of unrealsied capital gains.
I have a copuple of suggestions for you:
1. Make a plan
It seems to me that there may be an element of an ad hoc approach to your property investing. Has your portfolio grown as a result of a plan, or have you just bought based on an opportunity presenting itself?
In any event, it would be a good idea to make a plan outlining where you want to be in 5 years time and then go back and assess each property against that benchmark.
2. Profitability
A common problem I see with many investors is that they have not identified a minimum annual return on investment and as such just accept the result without a basis for comparison.
In your case, it will be difficult to know which property to sell (if any) if you haven’t tracked actual performance to budget expectations.
You don’t need to do anything difficult… just identify how much (in $) your property needs to make each year for you to be happy.
3. Consider selling
I would definitely consider selling as this does two things:
1. Recycles debt by repaying the current loan and allowing you to reborrow on another deal.
2. Releases unrealsied gains – lenders only usually lend up to 80% of unrealised profits, but selling allows you to access the full amount (after paying tax and sale costs)
3. The realised profit flows through to your tax return, increasing your servicability potential for other loans.
Naturally, I’d only sell if I could do better things with my money.
Hope this has helped. Thanks for being part of the community!
Merry Christmas,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
My contribution is a little out of left field… I wouldn’t directly look for either, instead I’d look to build an investing system that identifies solutions to a range of problems.
Why limit yourself to one type when there are good opportunities in both?
The reason why I emphathise the need to have a system is, as Terry pointed out, securing finance in your own name will be difficult without a job. However, if you have a system then others (i.e. money partners) can co-invest in that system/process.
Finally, you don’t need a full time job, but it may be a short-term necessity to achiove a longer term outcome.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
You could certainly sue a person as a result of non-performance of a contract, but the damages you seek would result on your financial loss, which is unique to every situation.
You can’t make someone pay a debt who has no money, so it doesn’t matter what the judgement in your favour, you need to really weight up the cost vs. benefit.
On this point, I was reminded the other day about our legal process where a person received compensation (let’s say $500k) as a result of a negligence action. Immediately after the judgement was made the person losing made an offer to settle for $350k or else an appeal would be lodged.
On the basis that the appeal might be successful, and on the basis of additional legal costs, the lower offer was agreed.
From my experience, negotiating an outcome that everyone is happy with and avoiding the courts is often the best way to proceed.
Regards,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
I agree with the comments made by JackW.
In addition, some key issues I’d be thinking about generally fall under the rights and responsibilities of all concerned, namely:
* Contribution of time and money
* Sharing of profits / losses
* Who ‘runs’ the investment
* Ability to exit the deal
* Requirements to contribute more funds
* Tax implications of investment
* Agreement on time frame of deal
* Established criteria to sell / minimum required returns on investment
* Death etc. of parties
* Basis for determining value of asset at any one point in time
* Procedure for mediation of disputesThat should get you thinking.
Oh, and if you haven’t already read it… pages 60 and 61 of ‘$1,000,000 in Property in One Year’ provide some good tips about matching yourself with the right type of business partner.
Finally, the two biggest things needed in a successful business partnership are: TRUST and ACCOUNTABILITY.
Regards,
Steve McKnight
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Remember that success comes from doing things differently.
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