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  • Profile photo of Kiwi-FullaKiwi-Fulla
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    Thanks Clint … and Belinda.

    We have also seen many highly geared negatively cashflow investors bend, buckle and finally bow out! … we have also saved some on them during the process.

    WE have also found that even with some of the very attractive properties we have sourced….. the numbers have been low on the uptake of these properties…. however we have on the other side of the coin managed to secure some very secure white collar investors that have signed on with us …. so every cloud has a silver lining.

    on another note … lease options have been on the increase….. we just secured 2 in the last 2 weeks and now control $900,000 of property (the 2 properties in 2 weeks) for 5 years ….. and all for only $5001 dollars … $1.00 for a $525K house and $5K for a 400K house…..

    The deals are really out there and all you have to do is know how to solve problems (funny sounds like Steve Mcknight talking)…. and build report.

    Anyway … good chatting with you all and good luck in the best time in our current market for buying
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    Profile photo of Kiwi-FullaKiwi-Fulla
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    Hey All.

    Great motivating post!

    We started out about 9 years ago…. and have bought all our properties with none of our own money….. I can say it has not been an easy journey….. but it is great when you can walk out of a house with an agreement under your arm and have only paid a $1.00 option for control of the property for 5 years…… the first time I did this (about 5 years ago) I had to slap myself at the corner to make sure I was actually alive! haha

    We have all of our houses managed out …. and have found that the best solution is to manage out the rentals… and self  manage the Lease option properties (keep the easy stuff and farm out hte hard stuff!)

    Accountants have been the killer for us too …. and they love charging for nothing….. but hey you do need someone to assist but ultimately we need to take the overall responsibility ourselves.

    We moved back to NZ at the end of 2006…. after nearly 10 years living in Aussie….. formed a property finding company with another investor …. and are enjoying it very much….
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    Go back to them with $7/week increase.

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    yep …. it sure makes the unit easier to rent out and you can get a better rent ….. easiest way to confirm this ….
    Call a few rental agencies and see if a 3 bedroom or 2 bedroom house is cheaper without airconditioning.

    Cheers,
    S

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    you can now (thanks to an AUS and NZ govt Co-operative agrement) also claim losses if you are negatively geared from across the tasman….. I believe this has bee since April 2008.

    Profile photo of Kiwi-FullaKiwi-Fulla
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    Hey All …. have not been on here for a wee while….. Are you allowed to post New Zealand caveat emptor deals here or only on PT in NZ?

    If not ….. anyone that is interested in some very attractive discounts….. (we have one under contract for $225,000 below GV with an 8.48% Gross Yeild)…. then drop me a line!!!!!
    Cheers
    Kiwi.

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    Hey There,

    I have been using Lease options for quite some time now…. we do them over here in NZ…. (Did them in Aussie before coming back here!)

    We have only ever seldom paid more than a $1.00 option fee for control of the property for at least 5 years. In the curnet market we are not diong them for any less than 7 years.

    You will be amazed what a seller will do if you can offer them a solution to either stop the bank rolling in and selling it… or they are not able to meet the repayments…. we have even helped out investors that made the 3 Key fundimental mistakes (paid too much, Negative Geared and wrong area)…. some are sick and tired of owning a lemon and with the market stale and even falling in some places still…. if you can offer them the plaster that will stem the bleeding so they can get on with things…. they are most happy to let you take an option on the house.
    Options are Great tools…. you do need specialist training (Just like a mechanic with all the latest electronic diagnostic equipment)…. if you do not have any experience … there is a mine feild of issues and challenges that await you…. however you will never learn from sitting in your armchair and thinking about it…. Go and do whatever it is that you yearn for and you shall learn the tricks of the trade as you go along…. just remember not to get yourself exposed….. always plan your exits (plural)
    Cheers
    Kiwi!

    Profile photo of Kiwi-FullaKiwi-Fulla
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    Hey all …. long time since I been cack on here…. This year I got control of 11 Houses (all different vendors) for $1.00 each…. for five years on Lease option ….. most of them I am getting a great positive cashflow result….. (except the one I moved into)…

    The one we moved into was such a good deal….. when we advertised it as a REnt to own …. no one moved on the deal…. so we got it. Pay $500/week and get $250/week off the house price…. for al five year option.

    We get heaps of these types of deals in NZ (as we will possibly expand back to Aussie…. but concentrating on NZ for now)…. There are bucket loads of motivated sellers and no buyers in sight….

    One of the deals we got releived an investor of a $185/week negative cashflow issue and now they are getting $20.00 per week positive cashflow…. we get a net cashflow difference of $150/week.

    hope this give some people out there the knowledge that this stuff is still happening out there even in this market…. just takes a little more time and effort.

    Cheers,
    KIWI

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    Hey Paul,

    Have you tried Profit Rentals In Invercargill?
    We found that with companies that were managing properties and also selling houses…. we figured that the reason we were not getting the service we needed was because over 80% of thier income was generated through selling houses and that is how much of thier company resources would be driven toward…

    Plus on the change the the investor gets so peed off with the performance of thier property …. they may even get to sell the house for the investor.

    I have found through the school of hard knocks that my best choice is a company that makes all its bread and butter out of managing properties….. if they do not perform …. they do not get paid.

    Just my thoughts and experience on the matter.
    CHeers
    Shane

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    The one of the big benefits of investment property is the tax rebates you get with interest and the like. over the years you will save thousands…..
    Anyway it was something I was pointing out in case you have not considered it …. if it were me I would get an accountant to at least run through the comparisons to see how I could grow faster through creating property….

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    Hey There,

    Depending on your investing stragegy (Cashflow, growth or combination)….. check out medians in areas and also rent returns…. this will give you an idea on yeilds in the area…. also check price trends and growth… plus net migration in the areas you are researching…. then rental demand (vacancy rates and how many rentals on the books … and how fast or slow they are sitting on the books) …. sales demand etc (days to sell, number of sales)….. once you have pooled all of that info together you can make some more informed decisions and opinions on what your next step should be…..

    Also don't follow the herds….. make your own decisions and in your own time …… making a high pressured emotional decision could be one of the biggest mistakes you make (or biggest leson you will learn). I network with a lot of investors and almost all that have lost money on deals ….. when I probed as to what made them buy in the first place ….. said they made it on emotional and not common sense (business) merit.

    Hope this gives you a good start point.

    Cheers
    Kiwi

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    hey guys…..

    Um don't mean to rain on the parade….. but in your scenario above ….
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    New interest only loan $224,000 @ 8.70% monthly repayments $1,624

    Assume rent will be $280 per week/$14,560 p.a. / $1,213 per month

    (slight short fall $411 but interest payments will be deductible) " = no interest claimable (due to the original intention of the funding was for a PPOR – thus no tax claimable….. (even the new 30 K you are drawing out)

     

    This also applies to the new loan …. as you are looking to purchase another PPOR …. you will be unable to claim deductions on interest also ……

     

    A solution would be to….. perhaps….  form a company/trust (entity) sell the home to the company/trust at market rate…. gift deposit to the company/trust. then the company buys the new house and rents it out to you guys…. don;t know if this is possible …. but would be worth checking out…..

     

    Or simply sell the PPOR (original one) clear out all of the profits…. buy and investment (cashflow positive one) then buy your PPOR ….. this way al least  one of the loans has tax deduction benefits…..

     

    Even better …. buy two investment properties …. and rent a house … then buy some more IP's (positive cashflow) and then once you have enough cashflow coming in….. ge the cashflow to fund the new house repayments….. then you will not take a hit on your lifestyle.

    anyway that is my 10 cents worth

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    We are also buying ….. if you could forward your stock …. I would be happy to take a look and perhaps work out something that would work for you…

    Cheers,

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    I agree with Don and Liz… The above post….. Dairy is having some heavy development in some areas and Invercargill is having a large number of dairy units opening up there ….. Fonterra were pushing tankers and drivers down there just to cope with the workload….. (I did a part time season toward the end of last year… and got the goss in the transport areas…) although do your own diligence….. would be my best suggestion.
    cheers,
    Kiwi

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    Hey All … good to see some action happening here again!! We have been getting 14-16% (better cash on cash return though) Yeild…. using Lease options and sandwich lease options in NZ.

    Some we have gained control (one for as little as $1.00) (yep…one Dollar) …. now that is a good way to get properties secured and develop some cashflow in a down or sideways market!

    lots of good bargains to be found if you nose is to the ground.
    but most of all …. have lots of fun out there.
    Cheers
    Kiwi

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    Jacob at Profit Rentals has looked after our properties for a number of years …. after 3 RE companies mis managed our Invercargil portfolio….. he charges are little more but really pushes hard to get the job done.
    Cheers :o)

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    Hi There!

    I have not been on here for a while …… however here is my input.
    Good on you for getting property as a vehicle for self supporting you financially.

    My suggestions Before you start:

    Sit down and clearly define your goals and aspirations …. put all your dreams down and work out what and why things are important to you…. if you miss this step …. you will end up hitting a wall and end up bieng just a hoby novice investor. (if that is what you want then hey fantastic!).

    Put down your fears also and remember to put down your fear of what and where you will end up if you do not embark on your journey.

    If you are looking for a more safer investing method depending on your age, skillset, borrowing power and investor knowlege… you could read Michael Yardneys 'Grow a $1M portfolio in your spare time'

    Get a line of credit and sit on it until you are ready to invest… however only use it for investment purposes and lock in your current loans on fixed interest only …. if you are on a good rate.

    Invest your time and network with others …. + CHECK EVERYTHING OUT FOR YOURSELF! – DO NOT TRUST OTHER PEOPLES INFORMATION….. the best person to look after your interests is yourself….

    If you do decied to proceed and are serious about getting into RE investing …. get some structures set up to protect your wealth…. or you can perhaps do this later if you choose to (at an extra cost)

    Get some expert advice from solicitors and accountants…. and get a mentor if you want to fasttrack your growth (even doing a JV with an experienced investor and sharing 50% of the profits …. will quantum leap your progress).

    Anyway best of luck,

    SW

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    hey guys ….. Garth is the guy for this ….. on another subject ….. just completed another Lease option down in Invercargill …… cashflowing at over $235 per week!!!!! Very very happy tenant buyers and winners all round…… may start another thread telling about the deal if any one is interested ….. oh BTW ….. we are based in Hamilton NZ … so you can do these remotely if ya set em up right!
    Cheers
    Shane … Kiwi!

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    Leilah wrote:

    By drawing down the equity, doesn't this create more debt and thus won't it increase my monthly repayments on the two investment properties, pushing it from positive cash flow back to negative cash flow? If you keep on drawing down the equity how do you service your loans if the repayments keep increasing each time you do so?

    Leilah

    Hi There,
    In essence yes your repayments will increase and possibly turn it around to Neg Cashflow. There are a couple of things you can do … perhaps increase the rent off the properties… or go to Interest only or refinance into a lower rate or use an ARM loan or Lesae Option or Wrap to increase yield and reduve holing costs incurred to you (tenant buyer pays expenses on maintenance+ no vacancy issues to deal with).

    Tha answer to your second question is perhaps… continue buiding your investment property portfolio with CAshFlow properties and you will not get serviability issues as they are all paying for them selves …. then perhaps when you have 25-30 Positive cashflow properties…. they will pay for your equity draw down and your PPOR without effecting your lifestyle. – So your invstments will effectively pay for your home.

    Best of luck with youre investing .
    Kiwi
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    I Just completed a Purchase to Lease Option Just last week 17th Oct.

    NO MONEY DOWN ……. Lease Purchaser paid for my deposit on my finance!!

    Net Cashflow of $235/week and $20,000 deposit paid to me straight off…. total projected profit (before Taxes …. $69,000 … give or take!

    Cheers,
    Kiwi
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