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July 25, 2005 - 8:47 am

gee Usana – I wonder which company you are involved with… hehe.

Yep= way to lose friends and influence noone- see all as your potential downline- and those who say no are losers… The question is- do you want to come out of this “business venture” with any friends left at all?

I think MLM is about 30 years too late- noone falls for it anymore. As others have said, the product is secondary- really, one can pretty much buy anything in a $2 shop these days- and not have to hear about it changing their lives. No product is gonna change my life- but MLM will probably send the salesperson broke- that’s kind of life-changing.

Usana- think about the average Australian income, for example- it’s about 50k. Well, you can start on that before you make your REAL MLM fortune. So you need to make $1000 a week- how’s it looking so far? I met a woman recently who was an MLM person… and she told me she had already won a free holiday. Her eyes were all shiny, and I asked about hoe much money she had put in to this scheme. She had put in several hunred dollars- an investment… the same value as the holiday was worth. Hence, she had paid for her own holiday. How she saw it as having won a free holiday, I’ll never know.

Best of luck with it, Usana. If anyone can make money from MLM and still have friends and family intact, in 2005, well, my friend- I’ll even buy one of your cleaning products from you.

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July 23, 2005 - 2:07 am

aussie,

It’s usually older properties that are CF+. Try finding an 80k new house with 160 bucks rent a week. If you can do that, then buy it. I don’t see any new houses around that are CF+, but if you do- then I’d say go for it

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July 22, 2005 - 11:53 am

The richest person I know has never ever mentioned money- she didn’t need to. She also spoke 5 languages, read a book every day, found an important gene as a molecular biologist (at the age of 24) and is now a Diplomat. I suppose she must be pitied for having a job- small poppy that she is.

I love this quote, Dr X:

“…or you know in my proffession I used to work for charity (NOT). I don’t like it and its not in my character to be rude, but I find that I have little tollerance for illiteracy and stupidity.”

Thanks for that- food for thought [fez]

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July 18, 2005 - 2:20 pm

dev,

I’m not a fan of the doorknocking approach- I reckon it just leads to disappointment- I’ve never met anyone who got a job in 2005 by walking business door to business door- sorry, crest- perhaps your experience is different. Same with just contacting one of the job broker companies- waste of time, in my opinion. when I say these approaches are a wAste of time, I mean that I believe they are the least effective ways to gain positions.

dev, try:

mycareer.com.au
careerone.com.au
seek.com.au
cracker.com.au (free community ads, so lots of companies and orgs put their ads online there)

kay henry

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July 18, 2005 - 12:45 pm

Shawn- yes, indeedy! I reckon it’s still got a few more hundred k’s left it in yet- it’s only on 420,000 now- it’s still got the grunt (I think the orange colour makes it go longer). This is how i look when I’m driving it (it has a steering problem):

[thumbsupanim]

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July 18, 2005 - 8:02 am

voig,

I reckon keep the toys that make you happy, keep paying down the debts for them- that’ll keep you disciplined; and keep doing the savings that make you keep your feet on the ground.

Sell off the toys when and if you have to- if it all becomes overwhelming. 25k debt is not an extraordinary amount- it’s really about the cost of an average small car- nothing to really wreck yourselves over.

It’s obvious that the toys you have bought are diminishing in value as you use them, but what price fun? if you’re still saving for appreciating assets, you may as well enjoy time in the interim.

And don’t kill me, all you misers- not all of us want to spend every cent on appreciating assets and have no fun [specs]

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July 17, 2005 - 7:54 am

pasandbec,

A second job will not be taxed at a higher level if your first job is poorly paid. All work is taxed at income levels- not on how many jobs you have. Add the incomes of both jobs together and then go to the ato.gov.au website to see what is the appropriate amount for you to be taxed at.

Yasmina, having a second job would NOT impact upon your ability to get a loan for renos- on the contrary, increased income makes one a better bet for bank loans.

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July 17, 2005 - 2:47 am

redwing,

Thanks for the link- how do you find such stuff- it’s gold! [cap]

In Australia, one can’t use the term “University” unless it’s accredited. I always cringe when I see spruikers overseas call their seminars “Universities”. I also cringe when I see gurus here call their courses “Masters” courses. Graduation from any old thing is too easy these days- pay your cash and you get a Masters over a weekend- ugh.

Keep finding and posting your gems, redwing!

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July 15, 2005 - 7:51 am

Amused- 180k in 1999, for a 1/2 b’room unit with ocean views, which is then sold for 189k in 2004. What’s the point here? Overpriced when first bought? Underpriced when last sold?

Really, we all have autonomy when making choices, and there is so much oversupply now, one can pretty much choose one’s own price. Perhaps the owner should have sold somewhere in 2003, and made a profit- when there was more demand.

We can’t blame other people for our own poor purchases. It’s our money- best not to chuck it away.

kay henry

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July 15, 2005 - 3:00 am

Actually, pete, I think that many property investors are VERY anti-education- as in formal education. Many people in property forums adopt the Kiyosaki line that formal education is a waste of time- Jamie McIntyre has even made a video about it. If Kiyosaki had his way, children would only attend pre-school to sell each other counting blocks.

Formal education is not something to bew stressed about- it’s something to be excited about- it’s learning, and hopefully, learning about something one loves.

I don’t know anyone who is completely passive- not Steve McKnight- pretty much not anyone, in their earnings. If people create some piece of intellectual property and live off royalties, or whatever, then that is a passive lifestyle, but I could imagine it would be boring to do very little with one’s skills and talents. If people are skilled with their minds or hands, then I htink one can use those things- not just to make money- but to get other satisfaction in the world.

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July 14, 2005 - 2:40 am

I also think it is about the kind of work one obtains. For example, what amount per hour one earns. Obvoiusly, one is going to have to work twice as hard (or as long) to get the same amount of income if one is earning $15 an hour : $30 an hour. I think a lot of people “fall into” a job without thinking about conditions and returns. Australians are working harder and harder- I am not sure that’s a good thing. What price leisure?

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July 14, 2005 - 1:49 am

Chris (nice topic btw) and Eric

I hear what you’re saying, but there’s an alternative view. I think one can not have investments and live pretty well, or one can have investments and live pretty poorly, with the plan of living well in say, 10, 15 or 20 years. I think it’s a balance. In my workplace, about half the staff have investment properties, and the other half do not. It’s generally the half that do not who go on overseas holidays and have weekends away- whenever they feel like it- and pay with cash! They live in nice apartments, eat the best foods, and buy expensive clothes- again, whenever they feel like it. The half that have investment properties may be more forward thinking, but all moneys go towards their investments- it’s all about opportunity cost, I suppose. But giving away one’s youth to have a decent middle-age is not the only thing to do in life. God help us if there is a significant property crash in 10-15 years- we’ll be worse off than the ones who lived it up when young.

I think if investors live poor for too many years, it has a real effect on who we are as people. We become the “investing poor” (as opposed to the “working poor”). I’m not sure that’s the goal of investing- well, certainly not my goal.

I know there’s good debt and bad debt etc… but a lot of the property investors I know are living pretty poor- and this topic and many others reflect that.

Think about it- when was the last time we went out and bought a few CD’s without feeling guilty? Or a few hundred bucks worth of clothes- just because we felt like it? When did we last just up and go overseas? Living a working life – without investing- might not be forward thinking, but the people I know who work and have disposable income, have great lives. I am not sure that whoever has the most debt when they die wins. Our portfolios might win if we put every last cent of that tax return back into it, but we could also spend it on ourselves and retire a year later.

It’s all about opportunity cost- that holiday we have now will have lots of memories- but if investing is one big grind, give me the holiday any day.

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July 13, 2005 - 9:33 am

k3,

I wouldn’t be waiting for prices to return to pre-boom level- I am not sure that is going to happen.

By the way, equity IS net worth.

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July 13, 2005 - 4:10 am

For Aussies thinking of investing in NZ, or wondering about the current market, there’s a good article by Terry Ryder in this month’s (July’s) Australian Property Investing magazine.

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July 12, 2005 - 11:09 am

jspri,

I think one can do many things in life- work, study, buy property- in fact, I think they all go together. I have worked throughout my study, studied throughout my work, and see property as a means to an end. I can’t imagine not working, and will probably continue to study at some point- my history has tended to be study every 5 years- in new fields. I’ll probably undertake some project management courses at some stage- to have formal quals in this area- as I see it as an emerging field.

Study shouldn’t inhibit property investment, really- but, just like getting one’s first property is the hardest, so is getting one’s first degree. I reckon after that one, a person can just study part-time.

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July 7, 2005 - 6:17 am

gafama- just a note on what you’ve said about never selling, a la:

“Firstly – I try to never sell for a couple of reasons. Every time you sell you deplete your asset base by
1. The costs of the sale (i.e. agent’s commissions, legals, etc)
2. The stamp duty to buy back into the market.
3. Any CGT or other taxes.”
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I think one neds to look at a bigger picture, and the sums. For example, I sold a place in November 2003, bought a place for the same price in a different location that had a much greater yield, in better condition, and the market in the place I sold in has now reduced by about 10%-20% if selling today. I think “buy in gloom and sell in boom” still has merit (although prices probably peaked in about may 2003).

After paying CGT, selling costs, new purchasing costs etc, I was still way ahead, and I see my new investment that replaced the older investment as a much better choice.

It’s a furphy to think that all sales will deplete ones wealth. In fact, if you buy at the right time and sell at hte right time, you can very much increase your net wealth.

kay henry

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June 19, 2005 - 5:02 am

Originally posted by Liz2005:

and later,before settlement, put in my husbands name if that is the only way the bank will finance it

Liz2005

Are you sure this is legal, Liz? If your husband is going to be financed, then surely he is the purchaser. If the banks won’t let you be owner, then let him sign.

As for the “nominee” thing, I agree with Dazzling- no way I would be involved with this kind of “creative” contract. Vanilla contracts all the way for me!

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June 18, 2005 - 11:57 am

Here’s a great article…

http://www.thinkfn.com/artigo.php?id=107

If it walks like a ponzi, and quacks like a ponzi…

http://www.ssb.state.tx.us/press/pr6-6-05.html
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05-60 Is ‘PIPS’ (People in Profit System) a Pie in the Sky?

Thursday 17 March 2005

In recent weeks, the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) has received inquiries and complaints about promotions for a wealth creation scheme called PIPS or People in Profit System.

PIPS website asserts that members can design their own individual wealth creation plan. As an example, it is represented that returns of at least 2% every trading day can be earned from one particular ‘wealth creation’ option. That’s more than 14,000% each year if compounded daily over 252 trading days. At that rate, if you put in $1,000, you would have $21,601,632 in just two years.

‘Not surprisingly, PIPS has already received several nominations for ASIC’s 2005 ‘Pie in the sky’ awards,’ ASIC’s Executive Director of Consumer Protection, Mr Greg Tanzer said.

Apparently based offshore, PIPS is promoted over the internet and in face to face meetings arranged by local agents.

Information received by ASIC suggests that PIPS has recently become active in Australia.

‘As result of public inquiries and complaints, ASIC has already begun inquiries into this scheme, and we invite anyone who has information about its Australian promoters to come forward and assist us. Just email us at [email protected] or call 1300 300 630,’ Mr Tanzer said.

‘If you want to invest money, deal with licensed Australian financial services businesses. That way, you have far more protection if anything goes wrong.’

SOURCE: http://www.asic.gov.au

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June 18, 2005 - 11:28 am

Godda love travis morien )

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June 18, 2005 - 4:15 am

sparky- if you go to ato.gov.au you will find all the tax rates for this year, last year, and future years. Just go to the “individual” page for the rates and specific amounts.

Remember, you only pay te % tax on amounts earned over certain $$- not on all of it. Just go the the ATO site and it will explain.

Keep all your receipts for everything.

kay henry