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    QLD land tax thresholds:

     

    Land owned by a resident/individual: $600,000
    Land owned by a company, trustee or absentee: $350,000

     

    See: http://www.osr.qld.gov.au/land-tax/about-land-tax/index.shtml

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    God of Money, I agree that the portfolio needs to be a reasonable size to justify the use of trusts, but the costs to set up the trusts and the annual accountant fees are not that high in my view. The proper use of trusts also allows you to avoid paying land tax in QLD as each trust has its own threshold so if you don’t put too many properties in one trust then you pay no land tax. Since the bulk of my portfolio in QLD this was part of the consideration.

     

    As for the need to have solid asset protection, that depends on your risk aversion. In general I am not very risk averse at all but since my intention is to build a large portfolio of property I will have the majority of our wealth tied to that portfolio and using trusts will maximize the protection of that wealth – everywhere in the world people are getting more and more litigatious. Changing to a trust structure later on is expensive so I’ve decided to go for maximum protection now.

     

    The other consideration is estate planning (incl. taxation) which is much better handled through trusts. I am too young to really give this much thought but as my (grand J ) plan is to build a large portfolio and never to sell when I do finally kick the bucket it will help to have this properly structured / addressed.

     

    But in the end this like most things in property investing is just one way of doing things and I know people who hold a portfolio of 10+ more properties in their personal names (different ownership ratios though) and are very happy they went that way… as always best thing to do is to consider what is important to you, your situation, educate yourself, get good advice and decide what’s best in your case.

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    We have some trusts with ourselves as trustees as being an overseas investor I wasn’t able to get a resident director for an australian company and so could not get a company as trustee. I have now found a nominee director who can do this so future trusts will be with a company as trustee. I looked into changing trustees and as Terry says it’s a hassle but can be done and I will do some time in the future. If you have yourself as trustee and beneficiary the asset protection is reduced compared to using a company as the trustee.

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    Paul, we’re overseas investors and don’t live in Australia (yet) but do hold a reasonable portfolio of properties across QLD. First properties were bought in our own names but latter ones through discretionary trusts – there are a number of benefits to this but it depends on your situation and what your plans are if this would be worth your while. If you PM me I can give you contact details of our accountants who are pretty good.

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    I have to admit I have not followed the new closely in the last few months due to a relocation, but I still believe the fundamentals of the Australian property market are sound and property will prove to be a good investment into the next decade and beyond. And that’s my focus, wealth creation over the long term so I am not too worried about the current correction. I don’t believe in a wide spread 40% drop in property values, yes there are properties which will be badly hit and the market will stagnate / decline in general to not so severe. So the next 12 – 24 motnhs depending on how this all plays out will probably provide the ideal period to add to my portfolio …

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    wow…

    I've been away for about 6 weeks or so due to a relocation and am totally surprised by the change in tone of the discussions here. If you were to interpret this as a contrarian, I would suggest that based on the fact that even the property investors are getting bearish we must be close to the bottom which would mean it's time to become bullish!

    And since when is it wrong to become rich? The suggestions that rich people must break the law to become rich is naive and simplistic and sounds a touch jealous. Plenty of stories of people on public support who commit fraud to keep / increase their support. Statistically speaking most millionaires are people who have their own business, work hard and live below their means… I know that's not exciting to talk about and won't make the headlines like surgeons, sports icons or movie stars

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    No need to live in France, real estate can be bought by anybody, at least since 2000 onwards…

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    Maybe you should revisit your reasons for selling?

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    Investing overseas is safe …

    …as long as you know what you're doing and understand the basics, i.e. if you expect to get a higher return by investing overseas (either in capital growth or rental yield) then you must be prepared to take a higher risk.

    Conduct lots of research both in terms of properties but also regarding the country/market you're planning to invest in, one good place to start is: http://www.globalpropertyguide.com 

    Don't buy overseas if you don't have access to a decent property manager and obviously you need good quality legal/finance/accounting support. Also think about how you will repatriate your income/capital gains and do whatever you can to minimize your tax before you buy.

    I think the current US market with so many foreclosures provides excellent opportunities if you have the time / contacts to source premium property in  well established markets e.g. certain parts of florida. At the same time I would stay well away from the widely publicised areas of upstate New York and Buffalo areas even though they have rental yields of 20% and above – those yields are for a reason !! and those reasons make it very hard to manage those investments from overseas.

    I also think that certain European markets will soon become attractive again e.g. certain areas of London that are up of urban renewal could be a good investment with the UK market having dropped and still dropping, low interest rates and a cheap british pound.

    Most Asian markets I would now avoid until we see the full effect of the dramatic drop in exports to the US, also in quite a few asian markets investors have to setup legal structures to hold control over real estate as foreigners are not  allowed to directly own real estate. Something that can be done if you know the market, but personally I want to have a titled property in the name of an entity I can control 100%.

    Another risk of overseas investing can be currency risks, which can be huge and wipe out years of capital gains in the space of a few weeks or months. I know …  … and learned an expensive lesson.

    And maybe the most important point, if things go wrong or you have made an expensive mistake, cut your losses and get out if necessary. It's a classic mistake beginning investors make, holding on to losers in the hope they will recover and selling winners. That way you limit your upside and expose yourself to downside.

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    If you invest in QLD another aspect to keep in mind is that each trust has a land tax threshold, so by holding your properties in multiple trusts rather in a single trust or in your own name can you most likely avoid paying land tax (depending on property values of course). I have essentially put units in pairs per trust and only a single house per trust to keep the land content well below the threshold and allow for growth. Not sure if this applies to other states! Talk to your accountant.

    My legal advise has been similar to what Terry is saying, discretionary trusts are probably as safe as you can get, but without a company as trustee the asset protection is significantly undermined.

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    There is several ways to play the Google ads game:

    (1) you can create a (niche) website, achieve high traffic flows and then put up the google ad using their adsense program – adding the ads is only a few minutes work, the hard bit is creating a lot of traffic. I did it for a while but took it off my site as it was just annoying me and unlikely to really add up in value and not provide meaningful links to my visitors.

    (2) you can write google ads using google adwords, just google it :)

    (3) become an affiliate to something using e.g. clickbank or clixgalore, put up a site with a couple of pages and then invest in google ads to dive traffic to your site and if you have written good copy your conversion will be high resulting in many people buying the affiliate product you’re marketing and you get the cash straight into your clickbank account… sounds easy and actually is not too hard, but you have to find a good niche where buying the google ads is relatively cheap (good keyword selection is critical) and where you’re affiliate commission is high.

    Most people who have made a lot of money on the web in this area, usually have sold a product which is aimed at how to make money online – ironic isn’t it…

    Anyway, I think there is some merit in it and once I have got my property investment site up and trucking I might give give the affiliate thing a shot on another site… if it works I’ll let you know :)

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    Freelance, thanks for pointing that out, I always struggle to remember which sites are the .com.au and which are just .com … 

    http://www.hotspotting.com.au

    I have bought several of Rerry Ryder's reports over the last couple of years and think that for the $90 you pay you get a lot of value and as an overseas investor who only gets to come to Oz once a year on an extended annual leave break it really helps me to focus my research. 
     
    Thanks for you comments on the site, if you ever have any suggestions / comments on how to improve or what to include, please let me know!

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    Ellieguinn, seems your thread got hijacked by the regular doom vs gloom discussion. Some quick suggestions:

    (1) do not rush into anything, take your time, if you believe in residential property as a wealth creation vehicle then there are always good deals to be had, again take your time.

    (2) save, save and save and live below your means until you have a serious buffer in place. Make a budget if you don't already. Personally, I really enjoyed reading "The Millionaire Next Door" by Stanley and Danko which truly highlights the power of living below your means.

    (3) Before you put money into an investment, property or otherwise, seriously consider having several months (3-6) of living costs in an emergency fund so that you're not forced to liquidate an investment (of whatever type) too early just to solve a cashflow problem

    (4) in my view, wealth is a function of money, time and health so don't sacrifice time and health in the pursuit of money, at least not too long otherwise your wealth will not make you any happier.

    (5) if you're planning to get into property investing read some books like Michael Yardney's "How to grow a multimillion property portfolio in your spare time", Steve McKnights "0-130" and "0-260" books, books by Jan Somers etc. Don't buy them, just get them from you local library!

    (6) if you're unsure about selecting a property, consider using a buyers agent, I can't recommend any, but I do believe that a good buyers agent can be of real value, especially to beginning investors – maybe ask around on this forum for experiences…

    (7) for property wise I would suggest you consider something in an up and coming suburb in some of the major capital cities (e.g. Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide, Sydney, …) or a large regional city with a diverse economy. There are good research reports out there, e.g. at hotspotting.com. Look for something you can add value to by renovating (avoid anything with structural issues) and is close to transportation, employment, schools etc.

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    So far I've only held investment properties which are on permanent let as I can't yet afford the luxury of a holiday house, well at least not without endangering my longer term plans…. but it hasn't stopped me from researching and keeping an eye on the market, just in case a great deal pops up :) 
     
    I think chances of squatters in rural France are pretty low, but the best way to overcome this is to actually live in the proeprty for a while, get to know the area and the people and then simply pay someone to keep an eye on the property and e.g. maintain the garden/grounds, collect and forward the mail etc. If you don't have the time for this then simply consider letting it out as a holiday property when you're not using it, that will bring in some extra cash and ensure a property manager keeps an eye on the property.

    I'm not too familiar with insurance aspects in France but you'd obviously need building and contents insurance and if you rent it out some sort of landlord insurance.

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    Other regions to consider are the Aude and the Ariege which are more inland, but offer beautiful country side, great small villages and easy access to Carcassone famous for its walled city (and an airport serviced by budget airline Ryan Air) and Toulouse which is France's 4th biggest city with an international airport. From this region Barcelona is still about 3 yrs away. You would also be very close to the Pyrenees which offer great mountain hiking in summer and decent skiiing in winter.

    Renovated an old farmhouse is wrought with potential pitfulls, as Phil says, these can be very old! I've looked at farmhouses which were 400 yrs old or more and yes they provide great atmosphere but to get modern day plumbing, electricity etc can cost an arm and a leg.

    Another good webiste to look at is http://www.bluehomes.com/french/property/france/F/en/country.html which is a company I have talked with and even inspected some of their properties. They seem reliable and trustworthy, but I have not bought anything from them and I am in no way connected to them. They have a lot of stock although their properties are a bit too far to the west from the area I'm interested in. But it gives you a good idea of what you can find and the site is in English which is always useful !

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    One of the things I have noticed is that the so-called ROI they use can be including all the costs or if the don't know any holding costs it is just a gross return. Guess which one they use more?

    But still, for an overseas investor I have gained a lot ideas out of this, which I will use in my own research for my next purchase. I will not extend the service.

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    My thoughts:

    I don't believe in a global 10 year recession, but a prolonged affair in most western economies and as a result emerging markets will suffer too. However, the 21st century will belong to emerging markets, yes decoupling didn't exist yet, but the growing middle classes in Brazil, India, China etc. will eventually start to drive more domestic consumption and reduce their reliance on the US as the primary consumer in the world. But it will take time.

    Property will remain a good long term investment, but not as we know it. Affordability will remain an issue, combined with growing population which will lead to densification of the capital cities and a shift in generations (Gen Y wants very different things from live than baby boomers or X'ers) I think good quality medium/high density units in strategic locations will do well.

    Also, in the next 10 yrs the number of 65+ers will rise from 2.8 million to about 4.0 million (in 2018). By 2028 it will be around 5.5 million, this will have a huge impact on housing demand (not necessary volume but type). Whoever figures out what this demographic group looks for in housing and caters for it efficiently will have a great opportunity to generate wealth (I don't think the answer is retirement villages as we know them). It will also create a huge business opportunity in terms of providing services.

    With boomers leaving the workforce the workforce will slip in relative size (from just over 67% now to just over 65% in 10 yrs), but with an overall population growth I expect that migration will stay high, productivity will have to increase and as a result wages will increase faster than in the last decade, alleviating some of the affordability issues.

    Or maybe we'll enter the biggest depression ever, which will eventually lead into WWIII and all our IPs will be bombed to rubble…  … maybe need to include a block of land to increase self sustainability!

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    I think you have a lot of good advice here, this is not the market in which to make a purchase that you're unsure of. Exit whilst you can and then educate yourself and do a lot of research on where and what to buy and how you're going to finance that taking into account some scenariios e.g. interest will go down for now but then back UP.

    Great to see that at least you're out there, just be prudent, certainly wish I started when I was 22!

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    You can deduct:

     – interest on the property loan
     – costs associated with renting the property e.g. management fees, advertising, maintenance etc.
     – depreciate the house/unit plus plant/fixtures get a professional to make a depreciation report for you (e.g. DEPPRO or many others, costs about $400) 
     – reasonable travel costs

    Talk to your accountant or google it for more detail  

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    It's pretty typical that high end properties suffer the most in situations like these, and they can distort median prices quite easily.
    I think the lower/medium end of the market in many places incl the GC will hold up well.

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