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    Hi Anthony,
    Welcome aboard !! :) I just wanted to post a few thoughts that might not answer the NRAS question, but will hopefully be of some benefit to you :-

    1. Being “in a complex of 104” this sounds like an apartment – is it??
    2. If yes, then a rent of $375/wk for a $385k property sounds quite restrictive. Are you sure you will only be down $20 a week? e.g. have you factored in RE agent fees, Insurance, body corporate fees, rates, etc?
    3. Have you compared other (similar) properties in the same area, but in another complex? How do their prices/rents compare?
    4. I expect this might be in a major city (going on the price) e.g. Cairns, Townsville….

    And, in case it helps (as you are a new investor) do check out this link – it may answer a few other questions that you might not even have yet !!
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4410491-the-big-picture-for-new-readers-especially/

    Hope it helps,

    Benny

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    Hi Ross,
    Welcome – you’ve come to a good place (well places really – Australia, and PI.com !!)

    In reference to your question “What are the advantages of renting and buying IP’s?” take a look at this link :-

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4410491-the-big-picture-for-new-readers-especially/

    The third post points to a very well-written post re that very thing. Since you are new to investing, you may also get some value from the other links within that thread. I hope it helps to turn on a light for you.

    Benny

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    Hi munmum,
    ONLY because of the bump, as I’m not sure these two gents are still active…. both are (were) in NZ.

    In NZ, my mind immediately goes to Olly Newland. Wife and I bought our first house from him in the 70’s. I know he has been quite active in education there for decades – he presents, writes books, mag columns, etc.

    The other is Kieren Trass. A search on the name should turn up a lot of info. I don’t know much about Kieren.

    Benny

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    Hi JL,
    You probably need an Accountant to confirm this, but your purchase date MIGHT help you :-

    Bought in 1999 for $212k

    I recall that a major change occurred (in Sep 2000?) re Indexing of values for CGT purposes. As I recall, for homes bought prior to that date, the owner may CHOOSE whether to use the Indexing method or the new “50% discount” method. As I wasn’t selling back then, I didn’t take too much more notice, but do check the possibility. It might be that the Indexing method might have now been phased right out.

    The Indexing went something like this :-
    Values bought for were Indexed according to inflation, etc (e.g. if bought in 1995 for $100k, in 1996 Indexing might take its base value to $102.3k, then in 1997 it might rise again to $106.8k, etc….) Also, when calculating CGT that way, Capital Gains were totalled based on that Indexed cost base, and THEN the gain was divided by 5, and that 20% amount was added to your Income for the year of sale. There was NO 50% discount when doing it this way, but the Indexing and the “20% added” meant that the CGT levied would nt be overly onerous.

    Do note, the above words of mine are based on “recollection” – thus, they may well be flawed. Maybe others can recall better, and/or can affirm whether Indexing is still possible, or not.

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    Hi Sonya,
    Welcome aboard !! It is good to hear that you are looking for options – this means you have your future firmly in view. I think a good move for you is to keep on reading, checking, questioning, and working toward that future. A chat with one of the Mortgage Brokers would be useful too – they can take your whole financial situation into play when working out HOW to buy another property.

    For now, I just wanted to point out a common trap. And that is in thinking you have “80% of your equity available” !! It is not quite right, so let me set that right :-

    You said :-

    Assuming we can only use 80% of our equity to purchase another house that is still $150(?)k towards another house, plus the $80 cash we have, we should be able to buy another property even with the drop to one income.

    The way to calculate what you can borrow is as follows:-
    First, look at the “amount owing / house value”.
    In the case of your PPOR, owing is $390k / value is $520k that is 75%. But you CAN’T borrow 80% of that remaining $130k (your Equity). Just $16k more will bring your total loan to $416k which is 80%.

    You could draw a bigger chunk of Equity by considering paying LMI and borrow at 90% (or 95%) instead of 80%. That would release another $78k (or $104k) for you.

    With the Unit, things look a bit better – Owing $312 / Value $425 is around 73.5% LVR right now. By going to 80%, this releases $28k – or pay LMI and borrow at 90% (or 95%) to release $70k (or ~$90k). And HERE is where you need the services of a professional to run different scenarios for you in your circumstances.

    WHAT you buy will play a part too – do you purchase another IP? Or another PPOR? Your answer will have a major impact on the outcome – or, the Mortgage Broker can chart BOTH scenarios, thus allowing you to make an informed choice.

    Main thing is though, I hope you can now see that you can’t borrow “80% of your Equity” as easily as it sounds. You have about $240k in Equity, but to borrow 80% of that ($192k), you need to borrow it at an LVR of 95% plus !!!!

    And don’t be concerned if it is all still not clear. Once you sit down and “do the numbers” with an adviser, it will become a lot clearer.

    You are in good shape though, and I’m sure something can be done to improve your future with property. Let’s see what a MB tells you,

    Benny

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    Hi Gayle,
    Nice post !! If I were an Admin, I wouldn’t even think of deleting it – such positive stories deserve to be told.

    And isn’t it great when those initial fears just melt away and you realise you are on your way. Like you, I find this forum (and one or two others like it) can be a real friend to those starting out. Good luck with #2,

    Benny

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    Hi Ben,
    Wow – sounds like a problem… and, no, I don’t think i have the whole answer, but wanted to share a couple of thoughts :-

    1. The home we bought 30 years ago had a similar thing. No slopes to speak of, but the thing that rocked me was that downpipes were ALLOWED to “splash-feed” onto the ground rather than being piped away (according to laws that existed back then). But then, I found the builder HAD installed underground pipes from our down-pipes – the underground pipes ran into the property next door – and stopped….

    2. I don’t know how much rainfall you might get (especially when compounded by run-off down that slope), but maybe there is a chance of creating a “sink-hole” i.e. get in a bobcat and cut a big wide trench across your property, fill it with rubble, and allow the water to dissipate underground to surrounding soils. You would obviously need to check a number of things (via a hydrologist??) like :-

    a. re your comment “The interesting thing though is the soil was not wet?” – does that mean the rain is soaked up by surrounding soils BEFORE it even gets to a depth of 30cm? In which case IS there any problem? Could it be that the existing easement and drain is more than sufficient as is?
    b. do “problems created by past (inadequate but acceptable) laws” receive any leniency in rectifying the problem today?
    c. what does your “neighbour with the big block” have to say? If they have never noticed a problem with your run-off, is there one?
    d. what cubic capacity would the sink-hole need to be, how deep, and do you have adequate space to create it on your property?

    I have only a layman’s knowledge of water and its effects, but I recall hearing that heavy rains become a problem AFTER the ground surface soils have saturated – after that, any excess “runs off” without being absorbed. And of course, a steeper slope will have run-off occuring more quickly than a gentle slope (with the latter, water has more time to “sink into the gorund”).

    Could some kind of action taken with your soil make it more absorbent to minimise any run-off (assuming you have grassed areas – no good if all concreted) – by action, I mean using a cultivator device of some kind to allow water to “sink” rather than running off. Or perhaps utilise products that could be sprinkled ON your grass (e.g. like those capsules that absorb water – used when planting to assure moisture to the new plants).

    Hmm, maybe not much actual knowledge there, Ben – but hopefully some ideas that “might” work – good luck with it,

    Benny

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    Hi C.George,
    Congratulations !! It is always a big step to buy that first investment property. Well done!!!

    Re Govt Housing, the only one I am vaguely familiar with is “DHA” (Defence Housing Australia). They provide Management, guarantee a regular rental, fit new carpets and paint after a pre-determined time (6 years?? or 9?? not sure) and/or at end-of-lease.

    They do charge a fee for this – back when I was sussing it out, their charge was 15% – sounded a bit high, but that should be offset by the rental guarantee and the “make everything right at end of lease”. Have a read-up on them – only because I would think other Govt Depts would likely use a similar set-up.

    I never did purchase a DHA place, but have met a few who have (and seem OK with it all). Hope that helps,

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    Hi Ms New,
    Welcome aboard. Anything new like property investing can seem a bit scarey at first, but as you say, there are places that can help (like, right here…).

    In case it helps, do check out this link (and all of the links of interest within the thread):-
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4410491-the-big-picture-for-new-readers-especially/

    It takes you through some of the early questions, and can either provide an answer, or at least point you along the right path. If there are other thoughts or questions that arise while reading this, do post a reply to that thread, and I will endevour to find answers to add to the value of the thread. One of the problems with a resource as big as PI.com is in making valuable information easy to find. Hoepfully, threads like the linked one can go some way to helping.

    I can’t help you with anything re Perth – but stick around, keep asking questions, and keep reading. THe answers will come,

    Benny

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    Hi Ray,
    and welcome aboard !! :D Sorry, I can’t help much with other calculators. I did have a look at Ian Somers’ PIA (he used to have a trial version on the Somersoft website) but I found I got much more from using Excel and building my own calculators.

    That did two things for me – one, I was learning Excel for myself at that time, and as I found each new function, I would incorporate it into new s’sheets. And two, the figures I calculated were geared to MY situation and the results gave me the confidence to “dip my toe in the water” about 15 years ago. It also allowed future planning for goal setting.

    Maybe others can come up with other options for you. Anyway, welcome – and do ask any other questions that might strike you from time to time.

    Benny

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    Hi Boshie,
    I just posted this for another new reader – take a look:-

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/general-property/4349450

    That takes you through some VERY useful “first questions (and answers)” and could answer some of your questions straght off. You look to be in good shape and a bit of careful thought, and not rushing into things, that inheritance can likely change your life markedly.

    Stick around, read on, ask more questions, meet other investors, then plan your attack (set goals). And welcome to this special place,

    Benny

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    Hi appg2,
    Well done for thinking of these kinds of things while still young. I would say first do a bunch of learning re property – it can be a good friend if you treat it right. Take a look at the link below as a “get up to speed quickly” reference.

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/general-property/4349450

    Stick around, ask more questions. You are in good shape. First though, after reading through the posts in that link, consider setting up an Offset account against your current home loan. If it later becomes a rental, you will thank me. If not, it won’t hurt you anyway. Stay in touch,

    Benny

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    Hi Samson,
    Hopefully, Terryw’s links will provide what you need to know.

    Re Andrew’s comment :-

    Property A will be only partially exempt from CGT since it was rented out for 4 years. A property is only fully CGT exempt if it is your PPOR for the whole duration of your ownership.

    …. I think Andrew might be presuming it was a renter from day one. Your words aren’t specific, but if it WAS your PPOR (i.e. you lived in it FIRST), and you kept it as your PPOR when you moved interstate , i.e. you didn’t nominate prop B as your new PPOR when you moved into it, then I believe Prop A could remain CGT exempt – even though it was rented. The rule might be that you must move back into it prior to selling to retain exemption – I don’t know – Andrew could be right after all.

    As Terry said, get some tax advice.

    Benny

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    Hi Callie,
    Sounds to me like a chat with your Solicitor (or one on here) would pay dividends. As I understand it, Company title means that the whole apartment block is owned as a single entity. Thus, to someone wanting to buy a single apartment, it is a bit like selling/buying one bedroom of someone’s house !!! ?????

    There are $$ to be made by buying a whole apartment block which is on Company title, then creating strata titles for each and every apartment. Once strata’ed, they can be sold off individually. Hoops to jump through, and costs, but the value of each apartment then leaps accordingly.

    Hopefully, one of our resident gurus will drop by and can add more (or correct me if I have anything wrong… *eek* :p) For now though, the word I’d use would be “Caution” !!

    Benny

    PS I just spotted your other thread – there are some replies in there from others:-
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4991717-company-title-help-needed/

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    Hi yuley,
    As with most things in life, it is the people that make the most dramas. Getting a GOOD Property Manager is every bit as important as a good Accountant, Broker, lawyer, etc. Good property managers will usually be found in good RE agents – but not always. We had a cracker PM who worked for a no-hope RE agent. We stuck with them BECAUSE of the PM. Once he left them, so did we.

    A drama that occurred for us was when we went through an exceptionally wet period – we got eight months of rainfall in just FOUR days. Though our place had long-run corrugated iron, the intense rain managed to belt its way through the seal around a pipe that vented through the iron. We ended up with drenched carpet and lost a tenant (his leather furniture was growing mouldy with all of the moisture in the air). The Insurance covered replacement carpet and lost rent so, the result was as good as could be expected.

    On another occasion (a different property with a different agent), a departing tenant had left a stack of little problems (writing on walls, garbage throughout the garden, house filthy, etc) The RE agent supposedly arranged a professional clean, but we inspected a week later to find filthy toilets, cobwebs on curtain rails, etc….. On approaching the RE agent’s new PM re the $350 spent on “cleaners”, their attitude was “Well, it wasn’t you that paid for it (as it had come from the retained bond monies).”

    Totally NOT the point !! We dismissed them on the spot, and left in search of a PM who appeared to care a little bit !!

    One major problem with PM’s (and all staff of any company) is that they can “move on”. So, if you have found a GOOD PM, be in touch regularly with them. Then, you may get to hear from them “Oh, I am moving on soon” – and can maybe follow them as they move.

    Good idea for a thread, Yuley – I look forward to reading others’ stories,

    Benny

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    Hi Terryw,
    Ah, of course – I’d missed the obvious…. A marginal Tax Rate of 40% would lead to a HUGE saving when compared to ~5% by using an Offset. Thanks for putting me straight.

    Ollie,
    Forget what I said earlier – I think I had missed seeing the elephant hiding in the corner of the room…. ;) Good luck with making it happen in time,

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    Hi Ollie,
    As Terryw said:-

    If you want to prepay interest then you have to be charged the interest before 30June of it will fall over next year.

    If you were planning on paying a year in advance, this would save you about $800 (based on a $400k loan with a 0.2% Interest saving – I think that is around the norm, yeah?) But, if you were to NOT pay the Interest amount in advance, these funds could instead be sitting in an Offset Account saving you Interest on a monthly basis anyway. How much would be saved?

    It would be worth running the numbers (one way vs the other) to see the true outcome of each way. e.g. by having ~$20k offset against a $400k loan, your monthly interest paid would be 5% less than if you had no Offset. And, you are paying in (slightly) inflated $$, while retaining flexibility of your funds too.

    Do the sums using YOUR figures though – and do let us know what transpires – I’d be keen to know, especially if one way is “streets ahead” of the other,

    Benny

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    Hi Ollie,

    I’m currently in this situation on a interest in advance loan trying to get it all sorted before July 1 due to my 13-14 tax advantages,

    Do check with your Accountant (of course) but I believe Taxation is based on “Contract Date” and NOT Settlement Date. If I am right, maybe there is less need to rush for a full settlement by June 30?? Of course, others may be able to put me right if I’ve stuffed up – I recall CGT is based on Contract Date (and that is usually the biggest Tax issue for many).

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    Hi Steve,
    Thanks for shining a light on that one. I’ve never thought to question it…..

    It is not like IP’s have an excessive amount of rubbish to be dumped, or need to provide any more water than a similar sized family living in its own PPOR. Parks in the area don’t need any more upkeep because people using it are renters. So WHERE is there any justification to rate IPs higher than other homes? I don’t see it….

    Doesn’t sound very fair to me. Thanks for bringing it up,

    Benny

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    Hi Davis,
    Welcome aboard !! I don’t know the firm myself, so can’t comment. Have you tried a search? Go in with an open mind, but my suggestion is to not sign anything on the day, but take the time to go home and “sleep on it”.

    Those companies who are “cowboys” are sales-oriented, and apply pressure tactics to get you to sign. If Christine is not like this, that is a good start. Then come back on here and ask any questions re what you learned from her. There are good businesses out there – this could well be one of them. If they are prepared to let you take your time, even more so. Good luck next week,

    Benny

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