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    We finally purchased our first home.. and would like to somehow get into the property investment market.. preferably to renovate something and resell it for a small profit… the only thing is that only my husband works as I am a full time mum with a baby… what are our options? Our home is worth approx 260K (redcliffe area) and the loan we have is for 192K

    Thanks… Romina[glum]

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    Hi Romina and Luca

    You appear to have a little bit of equity, so, depending you your husband’s income, you may be able to buy another property sooner than you think.

    eg. increase your existing loan to 90% of value, this should give you $42,000 extra (in a split loan).

    You may then be able to use this as deposit and costs on the next one.

    eg you next buy another house for $200,000. You get a loan at 95% of the value = $190,000 and $10,000 deposit and $10,000 costs (stamp duty etc) come from the other loan. You will then have a bit of money left over for the renovation.

    Just don’t over do things too quickly.

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    Originally posted by Terryw:

    Hi Romina and Luca

    You appear to have a little bit of equity, so, depending you your husband’s income, you may be able to buy another property sooner than you think.

    That is the thing… apparently they said that based on our info the max they can loan us is approx $190K.. could this be correct? although our house may be worth 260K? My husband is a factory hand and earns 35K, I am a full time mum… I just really need to do something to make a change in our financial situation.. I am going crazy. Is there actual hope???[glum2]

    Romina and Luca (and bubba Nicolas)

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    another little thing.. a lot of people are suggesting we attend $700-$2,000 seminars… I probably would consider it … if I had it in the bank !

    I read of all these PI millionaires who used to be bankrupt or with a 300K+ debt…. HOW do they get out of their bankruptcy and become millionaires? Would a bank actually lend them money to buy their first PI? it just seems all so impossible![puke]

    Romina and Luca (and bubba Nicolas)

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    Have you considered improving/renovating you own house? could you squeeze a bit more out it? Your own home has the added advantage of being tax free. Otherwise, becareful at the moment,it is easy to buy a house spend heaps on the reno and actually make a loss. With a low income you may feel the financial squeeze if you try to buy another property too soon. Having started where you started I know how hard it is. Real estate investing is long term, a million dollars is only $50 k per year over 20 years!!! Oh, and don’t worry about seminars. Most times you will get more valuable and tailored advice on this forum. Reading books is better value. This might be your best starting point.

    JTW

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    Hi JTW

    Thanks for the advice… our property was only worth about 210K when we bought it.. and after tearing ALL walls to put gyprock (ceilings too), adding cornices, new skirtings, doors, paint, polishing floors (which had glue from the carpet!), security screens, downlights, more electrical wiring, opening walls, adding beams, closing doorways, swapping a storage cupboard and opening it as a built it on the other side…..NEW bathroom and toilet….. well… we added about 35-45K of value on it.. and spent little as we did it ourselves (say 10K all up).. be good to show you the photos somehow.. what a transformation!

    really.. everyone is making it sound hard but possible.. but I am sure we can’t do anything right now!

    Romina and Luca (and bubba Nicolas)

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    With $190k you can buy 8+cf properties !

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    and….? what does that mean? we don’t have 190K[wha]

    Romina and Luca (and bubba Nicolas)

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    Hello Romina

    Would you consider doing it all over again? I mean selling your home and buying another in need of renovations?.

    I don’t know the costs of selling in Qld (stamp duty?). Maybe you could try selling it privately to save the agents commission as you don’t need to sell it in a hurry and can wait for the price you want.

    It would be really hard with a baby in the house and you would have to carefully calculate how much profit you would make and if it would be worth the hardships.

    Just another thought. [smiling]

    Elka

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    Originally posted by elkam:

    Hello Romina

    Would you consider doing it all over again? I mean selling your home and buying another in need of renovations?.

    Hia dn thanks for your thoughts. Wll, yes I would. Not to the extent of tearing off walls etc but small rennovations yes. The only thing is… having to move all our things? live in that house and rennovate with the baby?

    Romina

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    Hi, just to add an old hand’s perspective to the mix. Most people take a long term view i.e. 5-10 years for property to realise enough gain to make it worthwhile.

    Looking at your numbers, I would concentrate on ‘gathering’ more cash first. Jumping into another property without cash or income backup is very, very stressful.

    A 20% deposit is much better. You already have about 10% sitting in the equity of your improved home [from $210K to $260K]

    Save another 10%. Redraw the other 10% by refinancing. Then buy the investment property.

    Bear in mind interest costs have gone up.

    You’re doing the hard yards that most of us did before. When interest rates went up 2% in one year in 2000, I desperately worked 3 jobs & paid down $26000 in one go. Then interest rates went down again while property prices went up. I bought 2 more properties with the excess. Needless to say, I have not looked back.

    Another point to consider is this. Capital gains of less than 25% is hardly worth selling. Transaction costs swallow up the bulk of it. When I sold my 1st house, the gain was $28K. After tax & all, I calculated the broker made more than me!

    It is good you have the desire. You’ll do well. Time is on your side. Be patient & research.

    Good luck,
    Kum Yin

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    You definitely have the right drive to succeed, so you’ll get there.

    I can totally understand your frustration, though – it all seems pretty frustrating sometimes.

    One thing you may find useful is to drive, bike or walk around the area you live to see if you can see obvious signs of investment. If you can (say a new development, etc), just wander over and start talking to the people involved. The more questions you ask, the more you’ll learn. If you can find someone in your area who can mentor you, you can be set up for life from the knowledge you gain.

    As a few have already said, you have the desire, so you’ll do well.

    Good luck.

    Craig.

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    Let’s say you might pick-up a two bedroom house on 400m2 of land for say $220,000. Would probably rent for around $210.00 in good condition and rates be PA approx $1500. That is the starting point for crunching some numbers.

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    I was reading some figures.. they said that a good investment property has to give a certain rental return.. for example say I want to buy something with a tenant in for $115K, the rental, to be worth buying should be in the vicinity of 230p/w… isn’t this a hard investment to find? I thought that if I could get say a home for 180K and the rental of 180p/w that it would be still positive.. or it just isn’t enough?

    [glum]

    Romina and Luca (and bubba Nicolas)

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    THIS IS SOOOOOOOOOOO ********* HOPELESS…

    I won’t swear because I am a mum….
    [grrr][puke][grrr][puke][grrr]

    [glum][glum2][cry]

    Romina and Luca (and bubba Nicolas)

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    Hi Romina,

    Sometimes you need to step back and appreciate what you already have.

    A home, some equity and a new family. Enjoy these, appreciate what you have and allow some time to pass.

    As others have said property is a long term investment and depending on where, when and what you bought there are times when you need to wait a bit – maybe for you this time is now.

    That is not to say that you throw your hands in the air and ‘forget it’ it means that you know what you want, you know what you currently have so spend sometime doing further learning so that when the moons align you are in a position to make a move.

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    Hi all, we are back… and with good news.. I have gone back to work, and although I miss baby very much (my parents baby sit mon-fri) I know I am doing it to venture into the PI world…

    now… my hubby is still on 34-35K and I am on 43K… we have a $192K loan, 1 dependent and general monthly payments (insurance, groceries etc)… what is our best option? I was looking to buy something with a tenant in and keeping it for say 6 months, then freshening it up a little and then selling it.. what is the options available? Our dream way of doing this would be buying at a great price, renovating it and reselling it, but everyone is advising against that, and to buy something with a tenant instead.. things is, we are hoping to move back to Italy in 3 years, so we can’t really buy something with a long term tenant in there….

    any suggestions?

    Thanks

    Romina[baaa]

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    You are thinking too fast. Take baby steps. Renovating and then selling is not the best way to invest money, exciting maybe but not the best. Think long term, sit back make extra repayments on your mortgage and start doing your due diligence for your rental property, nobody stuffs up with long term research but overly excited people always seem to wind up suffering.

    But at the end of the day do what ever you want.

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    Our plan is to move back to Italy in 2-3 years time…. if we buy something and hang on to it.. for how long? I mean, isn’t it a good idea to buy another property and rent it out so the repayments on that loan get paid by someone else?

    Romina and Luca (and bubba Nicolas)

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    hi
    I would suggest to sell your home, you would have enough deposit to buy another house that you can live in and renovate, this would allow you to have money left over without the pressure of huge repayements, sell and repeat the process.

    Kev

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