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    ‘Malvolio’
    Twelth Night
    -“William Shakespeare”
    Today, Rene Rivkin was permanently banned from providing financial services which was handed down by ASIC because he suffers from bi-polar disorder. If he was permanently banned from providing financial services for being ‘an amputee’, I wonder if society would be up in arms?
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    Gatsby?

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    banned because he has bi-polar disorder?….or……evaded other incriminations with a document that states he has bi-polar, and as a calculated expense incurred a ban?…..

    [devilish]

    I am sorry, I should give rene the benefit of the doubt….I take it back…[dozey]

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    Bi-polar disorder – and this is???

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    bi polar – manic depression.

    i agree with gatsby. manic depression is an illness wch can be treated. i think they are just trying it on…

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    There’s about 18 articles written about this if people are interested in checking out the issues. What I think is that Rene told everyone how sick he was so he didn’t have to go to jail. His illnesses have been well-documented by psychiatrists etc. So he was saying he was too sick to go to jail, but not too sick to go to work… That was his mistake- sophie’s choice. Had he said he was well, he would have had to go to jail, but he could have kept his licence to trade. But one can’t have everything.

    I can’t say I’m too sick to go to work, but I am well enough to go to the pub.

    kay henry

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    Hi Gatsby

    If he was permanently banned from providing financial services for being ‘an amputee’, I wonder if society would be up in arms?

    shouldn’t that be up in Arm ? [blush2] sorry could help myself.

    Must admitt i have trouble feeling much sympathy for Mr Rivkin. Pity he didn’t come clean and avoid all the stress it caused him.

    regards westan

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    I am surprised that you all follow the linching mob on this one. I thougt you where a more thinking sort of croud.

    May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
    Marc

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    No Marc, I am part of the herd. I think inside my square. I’m always up for a good lynchin’.

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    Checklist:

    Clubs, baseball bats and Koshes…………….check

    Sack of doorknobs……check

    Dead end Alley to chase lynchee down…..check

    Get the truck and the blunderbuss Arlene, we gotta an ol’ fashioned lynching to gee ta.

    [devilish]

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    Well

    Marc is it wrong to be happy when we see justice handed out ? I don’t think that it is, if the man was repentant then i might change my attitude.

    regards westan

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    its the precedent thats the main problem…

    but i also agree with Marc..

    whats the proverb about ‘judging others’

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    I believe this thread started with a humurous tangent at a public situation.

    I also find mobs and lynchings to be preposterous comparison in this situation, to tell the truth, and so felt compelled to further take the piss when this was brought up.

    …., hey why not go further and complain about political cartoonists that depict our politicians in a less than respectful way.

    ….. or ban any comedian that uses public issues to make jokes.

    If you could not see the humour here, thats fine.

    I ask if there really was judgement passed or a lighthearted humurous discussion with a few opinions.

    Of course, it is so ridiculous that this was so, that by explaining myself I may have actually taken the bait thrown by a few stirrers and hung myself…. well….

    if that is the case…..Tally Ho, and let the fun go on.

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    rene rivkin in my opinion is a deplorable human being but is patently unwell. just because he has money i dont see him as getting away with anything. i feel sorry for him…for his actions etc etc. he needs help.

    its a fairly serious subject.

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    Westan,
    You’d probably take the piss out of me if I smoked! Well I can tell you now mate, there’s nothing wrong with my ‘lung!’ (Now picture Gatsby on his weekend binge looking remarkably like ‘Les Patterson’ stating ‘marijuhana is just a cruch!’).
    Actuallly it’s interesting how this thread has fleshed out. Apart from the amputee pun, I was actually posing a serious question for people to consider. I have no opinion of Rene. My question really was to ask if the law should punish someone for having a disability? Too often, a disability is the visible (eg. amputee, etc). If Rene’s done the wrong thing legally then as Hynch says ‘if you do the crime then you do the time.’ I just found it a little absurd to use his disability as the ‘REASON’ for his punishment?
    Cheers,
    Gatsby!

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    Hi guys… some interesting and mixed reactions.

    The reason I bring this up, in case you have not yet guessed, is not that I am a friend of R.R. even when common sense and observation tells me that justice was not served in this case. It has all the marks of a hounding campaign that concluded in a mockery trial. On the receiving end of an ill deserved sentence, R.R. defended himself the best he could given the circumstances, his health complains exaggerated or truly flared up … we don’t have the information to make a judgement.
    As for the final nail in the coffin of his reputation by a heavy handed authority behaving in the likes of the KKK, can I say more?

    But what brings me to plant a contrarian opinion about what appears to be a happy consensus about his conviction by most, is to bring to your attention not the details of his trail, not the defence or otherwise excuse about his past present or future, but to point at the reaction that such happenings bring out of most people who have been programmed to hate successful people and to align with the underdog.

    Such programming does not serve us, must be identified and clean out of our subconscious, this so called limiting beliefs will be a hindrance, a handicap, a chain at the legs of your prosperty and advancement, and it happens at a subconscious level without you even noticing.

    If you feel happy when a high flier gets a grilling (by some reporter on $40,000 a year) when KP get’s his name on the front page for loosing a couple of millions at black jack, Bill Gates spends “obscene” amounts of money on his “lavishing mansion”, or a famous Melbourne developer has his DA rejected by someone at the local council (on $30,000)…. stop to think. Examine your beliefs, rethink your values, perhaps, just perhaps, you need to re-think who do you align yourself with. May be what you have listed in your subconscious as your principles, (not necessarily by yourself), the primary ideas you are loyal to, are not serving you in achieving the purposes you consciously seek.

    May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
    Marc

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    Hi All

    sorry gatsby, i agree with your point, but i want to take up Marc.
    firstly are you for real ????????
    i will assume you are
    i just couldn’t believe how far off the mark you are Marc when you said

    but to point at the reaction that such happenings bring out of most people who have been programmed to hate successful people and to align with the underdog.

    This is so far from the trurth as why people were happy to see Rivkin brought to justice, where have you been for the past decade? The General attitude out there is he has been pushing the boundries (legally and ethically) for years. Aussies don’t mind winners- but they don’t like crooks to win the day. (I’m not saying he burnt down his own business just to claim the insurance just saying whats what others are thinking).

    If you feel happy when a high flier gets a grilling (by some reporter on $40,000 a year) when KP get’s his name on the front page for loosing a couple of millions at black jack, Bill Gates spends “obscene” amounts of money on his “lavishing mansion

    – isn’t it wonderful that we have a media that is able to challenge the way the mega rich behave (once upon a time they would have lost their head for such remarks), isn’t it obscene that these men hold the amounts of wealth they do? Packer looses 30 million on the table at Vegas- how many people could have been helped with this amount of money. how many crops planted, wells dug, children immunized, schools built doctors trained?

    May God make us to be more careing and generous people[biggrin]
    regards westan

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    Ha ha Westan, Precisely the mass produced programmed subconcious I was talking about !!!

    – isn’t it wonderful that we have a media that is able to challenge the way the mega rich behave [ooh pleeese! you realy beleive the media morals… and sell you Mac Donalds in the process] ……..isn’t it obscene that these men hold the amounts of wealth they do?
    [Obscene for who? The comunist? What is the threshold for decency? $1,000? $10,000? $100,000?
    One million? What gets us into paradise? Mediocrity? Poverty?]

    Packer looses 30 million on the table at Vegas- how many people could have been helped with this amount of money. how many crops planted, wells dug, children immunized, schools built doctors trained?
    [Very old fashioned concept that sees the economy as a static pizza. If I get a bigger slize, the poor people are deprived.
    Interestingly enough in your outrage at KP loss at the casino you seem to forgo the fact that if 30mil go from KP pocket in the Casino pockets, nothing realy changes, no one is deprived, only hundred of casino workers, contractors, builders, and the miriad of other industries that make the casino go benefit… becuase the money far from being “lost” simply returns to be reciciled into the economy. As for your interest in welfare, when very commendable, it seems to suggest that one must choose to EITHER pay a first class ticket $5,000, OR pay $1,500 and give the rest to welfare. I say that you can buy a first class ticket AND give money to welfare. The limit is imposed by your own limitations that percieve prosperity as wrong and therefore must be hidden or given away.
    Make mor money, make heaps of money, make obscene amounts of money rivaling KP and BG and see how much you can give away. Are you afraid of becoming like those filthy rich crooked people? Well there is you problem!]

    Such is an example of the standard mass produced concience of a person who has been fed and programmed by the motto that rich are evildoers, [not your fault by the way, not having a go at you] that “too much” wealth is filthy, greedy and detestable and that it should all be taken away to be re-distributed to the needy and hugnry of this world. Do you know how many people would consider Holding 2 properties OBSCENE ? What about 10? 30? What about 130? That must be Obscene for sure! (Sorry Steve no offence intended) How many properties do you hold? 10? 20? Do you know how many consider you disgustingly rich and therefore inherently dishonest? Lets say 80% of the population of Australia and New Zeland and I am being very conservative. Are they all wrong? I think they are, and so does KP…yet you seem to think they are not wrong…. Some double standards there?

    Allow me to offer you something to read on the matter


    Randy’s Rants



    Naked in More Ways than One!

    Dear Colleague,

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    You and I do what we do all the time too. But that doesn’t make us any less miraculous either. But how often do we really do what we do? I mean what we are really meant to do. Our assignment.

    Now if I sound philosophical, blame Ian Percy, it’s his fault.

    He sent me an email and told me to drop everything and order the book “The War of Art” by Steven Pressfield. Steve is the guy who wrote, “The Legend of Bagger Vance” and lots of other fiction bestsellers I never read. But I trust Ian implicitly, so I ordered it just before I left for Phoenix.

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    I know how to create. I know how to overcome resistance. But then the book got deeper…

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    becoming as great as we are truly able.

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    Now of course we don’t admit to turning away. We blame it on raising the kids, finishing our big projects, waiting to graduate, needing the seed money, and the necessary confluence of market factors.

    And what a crock of shit all that is.

    Truth is, I have at least ten more books in me right now. I have the current one about posperity that I’m working on for John Wiley and Sons. I have the follow up, a philosophical look
    at the absurdity of living like the tribe titled, “A Contrarian’s View of the Cosmos.” And one on self-esteem and discovering your assignment, that I’ll have to self-publish,
    since it’s titled “F##k the Homies!!!”

    There are seven more; not counting the ones that will surface while I pen those. Not to mention the Opera I want to write, the languages I want to learn, and the website communities I want to build.

    I became a millionaire when I finally got over the fact that my loser friends wouldn’t like me any more. And realized that they weren’t really my friends, and I didn’t want or need them to
    like me. I came to grasp that there was nothing spiritual about being poor, and in fact, for me to remain poor was a sin.

    I became a multi-millionaire when I realized that the only thing between me and “multi” was the ridiculous guilt I was feeling for already being a millionaire.

    And just when I think I’ve got it sussed—and have no fears of becoming the absolutely greatest I can be—this f###ing book comes into my life! Because when it comes down to it, the only
    thing that’s stopping me from turning the multi- ‘M’ into a multi- ‘B’ is fear.

    Fear that ultra wealth and success will create a bigger gulf between me and the people I care about, who haven’t done as well yet. Fear that a New York Times bestseller and TV appearances
    will destroy the laid back, low profile lifestyle I’ve been able to create for myself. Fear that I will actually harness the amazing powers I possess, and become the thermonuclear
    genius I have lurking inside!

    But enough about my neurosis. Let’s talk about yours!

    How long are you going to lurk around success before you admit you’re just coasting in your comfort zone?

    What about the book you say you’re going to write? The symphony you’re going to compose, the website you’re going to create, the play you need to author, the sculpture waiting to be carved, the
    IPO you need to launch, the painting only you can paint, the dance only you can dance, the massive MLM network you’re going to build, or the cure that only you can discover???

    I’ve decided to go for it. And I’m pounding away at my keyboard down here doing exactly that. Want to join me?

    BTW, I didn’t tell you my favorite part of the book. Steven started two different books and got 90% done with each. But he didn’t have the guts to finish them, so he threw them away.
    Finally fed up with his life, he rented a house in Northern California, and went there to write a novel or kill himself trying.

    He spent months with no TV, newspaper, or any distraction, just writing his book and having an occasional coffee with his friend Paul Rink, a nearby writer. The closer he got to the end, he
    more ways he found to screw it up. But he was determined that he couldn’t quit this time. He felt that if he crapped out one more time, he would have to hang himself.

    He worked for 26 months. And finally, he got to the last page and typed the words:

    THE END.

    No one knew he had finished the book. No one cared. But he knew. And he cared.

    The next morning, he went over to Paul’s house and told him that he had finally finished the book.
    “Good for you,” he said without looking up. “Start the next one today.”

    THE END.

    May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
    Marc

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    Hi marc

    thanks for the time to reply

    But

    You have missed the point, there is nothing wrong with having large, huge amounts of money. I actually agree with you.

    However

    There is something very wrong when people use that money for no other purpose than to make there own existence one of luxury while there are so many in need around them.

    You sign off “may God make you prosper” sure God wants to bless people and finance is an important aspest of life.
    However when you look at the teachings of the Bible in its completeness you will agree that the idea of “Gods Blessing” is not for ourself alone but to be used for the benifit of others.

    Thats why it is obscene when people are happy to throw away $10 Million on a black jack table. Surely these people Know what good the money can do, It’s all about the responsibility of wealth.
    It is just as obscene when a parent gambles away the families weekly food money.

    Marc maybe some of these people who you seem to view as untouchable because they have amassed huge wealth aren’t really deserving the praise you feel for them ???
    regards westan

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    How well do you know Mr Paker Westan?
    The short answer is you do not.

    Far from “praising” Paker or Gates or any other millionaire, I am exposing the popular wisdom that points fingers at such people, using colonial economic models, thinking they have the right to decide how someone else’s money is spent, make large unwarranted assumptions about their honesty or rather the lack of it, yet making sure in the process that nothing is said bout how they spend their own money, when in fact that is all it really counts.

    Yet … how can anyone blame the little people? After all populist thinking stems from populist policies, like our Robin Hood Tax system.

    I go further in explaining that such popular reactions are the result of subconscious programming, reinforced daily buy a constant barrage of anti values from friends, relatives media, teachers, priests, politicians and almost any conceivable person of influence who thinks he/she has the gist of what we should do and dictates to you what is right and what is wrong.

    There is no point in attempting to win a debate and losing an opportunity. If you value your own success, and since you are on this forum I assume you do, don’t argue with me. Rather dig around to see if there is even a shred of truth in what I say. If there is not, you have nothing to lose.

    Yet if there is, and let me assure you this is so, then you may be throwing away the opportunity to make your career a lot easier, more rewarding and efficient.

    You don’t have to trade in your values by the way, only the one that are not serving you.

    Why don’t you try to get this little book
    “The Dynamic Laws of Prosperity” By Catherine Ponder. May just be the best thing after Vegemite.

    As for your mention of our stewardship of blessing received, I couldn’t agree more. Be a good steward of ALL the blessings, including your God given talents. Don’t hold back because of an ill conceived notion that it is immoral to be prosperous, and leave to God the judging of how others look after their own blessings. For KP 30 mil may just be like $3000 for you and me, so why do you fret about it? After all it is not our money.

    May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
    Marc

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    “Do not Judge, lest ye yourselves be judged”

    Trisha[cap]

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