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Freehold commercial Investingcarpe_diem [73 Posts] Hi Is it an unsafe way to go or is it better to stick to residential properties which have done me well? Cheers Scott No Mates [3126 Posts] There are many things to consider when entering a commercial deal, least of all is the rent. You will need to undertake complete due diligence on the site, including have a qualified person look at things like any airconditioning systems, lifts, essential services compliance etc. You will also need to review each lease as there may be subtle differences between each one. Is the return nett or gross? Rent reviews at 2.5% are below CPI, you will need to make a call whether you are prepared to accept such a low rate of review when CPI is projected to run above the long term average of around 3%. I am opinionated. Take me at face value, read between the lines. http://www.reao.com.au/forum/entry.php?80-How-bright-is-your-agent carpe_diem [73 Posts] Thanks ......yes I realise there will be lots to do pre buy and thanks as I had not thought about some of what you have said.... to me the return on an investment is the most important....low return and low capital gain prospects rules out any further consideration on a buy. There are 4 shops, factory for producing the items for one shop (and a 2storey spacious renovated house). Two of the shops are 1x1 leases but have been leased for a number of years to the same tenants. I would probably get the leases changed to 5x5 if I can. The other 2 shops, factory and house is to be leased back to the current freehold owner. They are keen to stay on and a 5x5 is in principle agreed. I thought 2.5% rent increase was rather standard for commercial.....to be honest in all the residential properties I own I'd rather have the same tenants staying on (I manage myself as I live off my investments) so I don't increase the rents more than about 3% which I know is below the market but it keeps them happy and they look after the places......and I know them all which I know one shouldn't do ie to mix friendship with business. But for me it works well. The 7.5% return is net as there are no outgoings but I could have it up to 8% if they agree to the offer price that I might make. Scott No Mates [3126 Posts] I'd suggest locking new commercial leases into cpi as a minimum, recently did a few at the greater of cpi or 4% as well as retail in shopping centres at 5%. You won't get away with a ratchet on the retail leases. I am opinionated. Take me at face value, read between the lines. http://www.reao.com.au/forum/entry.php?80-How-bright-is-your-agent Appsie [1 Posts] Are there any further improvements that can be done that will allow further rent increases eg air cons ,paint ,minor rens etc Hope it makes ya a motza. Regards appsie thecrest [651 Posts] Hi Carpe the cosmos always delivers so order carefully carpe_diem [73 Posts] Thanks for feedback guys....all very helpful. In terms of your comments "thecrest", I would not purchase unless the net income is above 8% of the purchase price plus all costs. The seller is well respected in the town and it looks they're selling the freehold as I suspect there are family reasons following the death of a key family member and I think a redistribution of the wealth among family members entitled. It was mentioned earlier about 5 year leaseback but now some sceptism has been drawn into the situation...they want a lease arrangement of 1x1. I'm getting a bit cold on it as one of the shops relies on the factory out the back to produce the products. Hence, I have asked them to supply a profit and loss statement for the shop/factory business over the past 3 years at least. It narrows who I can lease the shop/factory to later on. Two of the shops are leased to others and they are solid with 5x5 year leases. The shop/factory, other shop and the house leased back by the current "owner" is now looking a bit dodgy. Great looking buildings and well maintained including the fully renovated house in a town beginning to really start moving.......but it is the factory that bothers me......it currently just makes wooden toys etc so very limited on who I get to go into the factory later. I know I can get interest loan at under 6% at the moment so on paper it looks good at the moment but the future is a concern especially a factory and shop for wooden toys. So even if I manage to get better deals on the leases what do you think about taking on a shop dependent on the production from the factory? Scott No Mates [3126 Posts] You will need to make certain of the zoning and consent conditions of the factory & shop so you know who else can lease them eg general industrial zoning or is it a non-conforming use? Speak to one of the other agents in the area (who isn't dealing with this property). How easy do they say it can be leased and what is the market rate etc? I am opinionated. Take me at face value, read between the lines. http://www.reao.com.au/forum/entry.php?80-How-bright-is-your-agent carpe_diem [73 Posts] Thanks again for comments. "Scott NO Mates" it is good advice and something I will definitely do. If the lease backer decides to jump ship after a year would he not only do this if he 'sells" his business......it must have quite a bit of value although perhaps he can just transfer the business to another shop? Sorry, this is probably a naive question......perhaps I don't have enough experience to enter into commercial although this is probably a relatively small commercial investment. I'm also wondering does the capital property value of a commercial freehold increase at the same level as the surrounding residential areas? Scott No Mates [3126 Posts] If the lease expires the vendor (and tenant) can relocate, provided that there is alternative suitable premises for them, they may sell the business to someone who may want to remain or relocate or thirdly, they may simply be looking to retire/close a loss-making business. Capital values rise and fall at different rates depending upon the category of the property. Commercial values are more closely linked to the overall status of the economy, recessions lead to discounting of rents/provision of greater incentives whereas residential property fluctuates along a roughly 7 year cycle. Other influences also affect the value of properties regardless of the economic cycle eg rezoning proposals, major redevelopment, infrastructure proposals etc. I am opinionated. Take me at face value, read between the lines. http://www.reao.com.au/forum/entry.php?80-How-bright-is-your-agent Olli [17 Posts] Have you thought about getting a loan in your Super Fund to buy it - I am looking at it now? |
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